Jay Guin: Lessons on Grace: Scruples, Romans 14
Ray Guin defends the use of Instrumental Music based on an INVERTED interpretation of Romans 14.
Click Music Marks Morally Weak: However, you twist Romans 14, the use of MUSIC and especially INSTRUMENTS in pagan worship always identified the MORALLY WEAK or Catamites (dogs, wolves) as the priests of the mother goddess. Romans 17 warns about the Babylon mother of harlogs and in Romans 18 they "lusted after fruits" (same as in Amos) are used as speakers, singers and instrument players: John calls them sorcerers and they along with the dogs are doomed to be burned.
Index of other reviews of statements by Jay Guin or other posters at oneinjesus which seem aimed at defining the Church of Christ as less than literate. I will post my comments here because it isn't considered Christ-like to question others. Without exception the urge for unity or oneness demands that those who have NEVER used instruments in church must AFFIRM or CONFORM to adding instruments as the only LITMUS TEST to judge their fitness to belong to the same group. The fact is that primarily after the Civil War when there were full carpetbags in the north, there was a house war and and entertaiment war to scoop up the most cash to pay for debts. Baptists, Methodists and Presbyterians were SPLIT when people began to IMPOSE the organ (only at the time). This was confessed by one elder as the only way the group could compete and survive.
Jay Guin applauds Danny Corbitt for misleading us on the Church Fathers.
Posted on October 4, 2007 by Jay Guin
I don't intend to address all of the legalize or rational thinking: Romans 14 outlawed the Dionysics in Rome for the same reason that the Roman Government had restricted WHAT THEY DID IN THE NIGHT to doing it in the day and by limiting the size of the musical and perverted religion.
I WILL INCLUDE WORD DEFINITIONS, BIBLE PARALLELS AND LITERARY QUOTES AS THE ONLY WAY TO DEFINE PAUL'S WRITINGS FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD PRESUME TO GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN. THIS WILL PROVE THAT THOSE WILLING TO SOW DISCORD IN HISTORICALLY REJECTING MACHINES AS TOOLS OF WORSHIP FULFIL THE PROPHETIC TYPES AS TO CONSTITUTE THOSE STRONGLY DELUDED PERFORMING LYING WONDERS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT TIME IS SHORT.
Jay Guin: A friend in another town recently asked me about Paul’s instructions on the scruples of other Christians. It seems some brothers suggested to her that she should consider them the “weaker brother” described in Romans 14 and so refuse certain behaviors to avoid “offending” them.
Paul speaks of DIET and the days they ate in the Pagan Temples: He repudiates all of these and their musical opinions wshich did not EDIFY which means EDUCATE.
Just so, many in the a cappella Churches of Christ are calling on the instrumental independent Christian Churches to give up the instrument for the sake of fellowship. They argue: shouldn’t you consider us the weaker brother and give up the instrument for the sake of our consciences?
ALL RECORDED HISTORY--ANCIENT AND MODERN--IDENTIFIES RELIGIOUS MUSICIANS AS MORALLY WEAK
The Absolute MARK is the Effeminate Musicians invading the School of Christ.
See Charismatic and Homosexual connection among the Greeks
Effeminization of Church and Christianity
Music and Effeminate WorshipThe Apostolic Constitutes by The Historic Church of Christ noted c.200 ad
Thou assisted us by Thy great High Priest, Jesus Christ Thy Son. For He has delivered us from the sword, and hath freed us from famine, and sustained us; has delivered us from sickness, has preserved us from an evil tongue. For all which things do we give Thee thanks through Christ,who has given us an articulate voice to confess withal,
and added to it a suitable tongue as an instrument to modulate withal,
and a proper taste, and a suitable touch, and a sight for contemplation,
and the hearing of sounds, and the smelling of vapours, and hands for work, and feet for walking.And all these members dost Thou form from a little drop in the womb;
and after the formation dost Thou bestow on it an immortal soul,
and producest it into the light as a rational creature, even man.
If one belonging to the theatre
(1) come, whether it be man or woman, or charioteer, or dueller, or racer, or player of prizes, or Olympic gamester, or one that plays on the pipe, on the lute, or on the harp at those games, or a dancing-master or an huckster,
(2) either let them leave off their employments, or let them be rejected. If a soldier come, let him be taught to "do no injustice, to accuse no man falsely, and to be content with his allotted wages:"
(3) if he submit to those rules, let him be received; but if he refuse them, let him be rejected. He that is guilty of sins not to be named, a sodomite, an effeminate person, a magician, an enchanter, an astrologer, a diviner, an user of magic verses, a juggler, a mountebank, one that makes amulets, a charmer, a soothsayer, a fortune-teller, an observer of palmistry; he that, when he meets you, observes defects in the eyes or feet of the birds or cats, or noises, or symbolical sounds:
let these be proved for some time, for this sort of wickedness is hard to be washed away; and if they leave off those practices, let them be received; but if they will not agree to that, let them be rejected. Let a concubine, who is slave to an unbeliever, and confines herself to her master alone, be received;
The Major WEAK sects in Rome based on DIET and Market days
Cor. 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols,Paul outlaws all of their purely RELIGIOUS practices where the only EFFECTIVE meaning of witchcraft or sorcery is altering people's MINDS so they will believe a lie and be damned--and put their money in the collection pots.
we know that an idol is nothing in the world,
and that there is none other God but one.
1Cor. 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth,
(as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Cor. 8:6 But to us there is but ONE God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1Cor. 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge:
for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol;
and their conscience being weak is defiled.
1Cor. 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better;
neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
Etymologically, the word mystery is derived from the Greek verb myein (“to close”), referring to the lips and the eyes. Mysteries were always secret cults into which a person had to be “initiated” (taken in). The initiate was called mystēs, the introducing person mystagōgos (leader of the mystēs). The leaders of the cults included the hierophantēs (“revealer of holy things”) and the dadouchos (“torchbearer”). The constitutive features of a mystery society were common meals, dances, and ceremonies, especially initiation rites. These common experiences strengthened the bonds of each cult.
Dionysus had the power to inspire and to create ecstasy, and his cult had special importance for art and literature. Performances of tragedy and comedy in Athens were part of two festivals of Dionysus, the Lenaea and the Great (or City) Dionysia. He was also honoured in lyric poems called dithyrambs. In Roman literature his nature is often misunderstood, and he is simplistically portrayed as the jolly Bacchus who is invoked at drinking parties. In 186 bce the celebration of Bacchanalia was prohibited in Italy. Dionysus (also spelled Dionysos) is the Greek God of ritual dance and sacred mysticism, of death and new life. He can be gentle or provoke the wildness within us all, literally able to drive both his followers and his enemies mad. Euripedes called him 'most gentle and most terrible'. Dionysus is the patron of poetry, the song, and drama, and of course wine and its intoxication effects. He was credited with the invention of wine making and its use on Earth and this became almost his chief attribute in his Roman form - Bacchus. Unlike Pan for instance, Dionysus is counted as one of the twelve major Gods of Mount Olympus.
"The older Dionysian festivities were ecstatic affairs; worshippers often overcome with ecstasy and religious fervor. They formed thyasi (holy bands) and waved thyrsoi (fennel wands bound with vine leaves and tipped with ivy). Dancing by torchlight to the rhythm of the flute and the tympanon (kettledrum),
while they were under the god's inspiration, the bacchantes were believed to possess occult powers, the ability to charm snakes and suckle animals, as well as preternatural strength that enabled them to tear living victims to pieces before indulging in a ritual feast (omophagia).
The main feature of his worship was called sparagmos: the tearing apart of a live animal, the eating of its flesh, and the drinking of its blood.
Believers considered they were partaking of the God's body and blood.
Pythagoreans Britannica Members
770. GREEK: astheneo, as-then-eh´-o; from 772 [figurative and moral]; to be feeble (in any sense): be diseased, impotent folk (man), (be) sick, (be, be made) weak. asthen-eia in moral sense, feebleness, weakness"The Orphic creeds were the basis of the Pythagorean brotherhood, which flourished in southern Italy beginning in the 6th century BC. The Pythagoreans were aristocratic fraternities that sometimes had a political scope. Their main achievements, however, lay in the fields of music, geometry, and astronomy. They discovered that these subjects could be explained by numbers and ratios.
Combining Orphic eschatology (the study of the last things, especially death and afterlife) with their discoveries, they invested music, geometry, and astronomy with religious values.
"According to their doctrine, the original home of the soul was in the stars. From there it fell down to earth and associated with the body.
"Thus, man was a stranger on the earth, and he had to strive to liberate himself from the ties of the flesh and return to the soul's celestial home.
WEAK: Latin In-firmus, Weak in mind or character, superstitious, pusillanimous, inconstant, light-minded: very uncertain, not to be depended on, Of things, of no weight or consequence, weak, trivial, inconclusive
WEAK: Delicate is Malakos path-êtikos d. = pathêtikos e. of music, soft, effeminate, harmoniai, of reasoning, weak, loose, logos Isoc.12.4 , sullogizesthai to reason loosely,
Mousikos II. of persons, skilled in music, musical, III. of things, elegant, delicate; professional musicians, mousikos kai melôn poêtês, hêdion ouden, harmonious [in tune], fitting, trophê
Music means Pathêtikos
- Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1 Corinthians 6:9
- Abusers are:
- Arsenokoites (g733) ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace; from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: - abuser of (that defile) self with mankind.
1Cor. 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
1Cor. 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Cor. 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers,
nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.By silencing their "doubtful disputations" not connected to the Word of God the WEAK in the sense of the older and infirm are taken into consideration. The Progressive Church of Christ agents say we should just RUN OVER at least half of the population because of our lust of the eyes and ears and the PRIDE beyond expression.
asthen-eia A. want of strength, weakness, Th.1.3, etc.: in pl., “iskhues kai a.” Pl.R.618d; esp. feebleness, sickliness, Hdt.4.135; “a. tou gērōs” Antipho 4.3.2, Pl.R.330e; “sōmatōn” Th.4.36, etc.Gal. 4:13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.2. disease, sickness, Id.2.49 (pl.), OGI244.11 (Daphne, ii B.C.), etc.; “di' astheneian” Ep.Gal.4.13.Hdt. 4.135 [2] His reasons for leaving the asses, and the infirm among his soldiers, were the following: the asses, so that they would bray; the men, who were left because of their infirmity, he pretended were to guard the camp while he attacked the Scythians with the fit part of his army.
This writer is not aware of ANY Churches of Christ calling on ANY Christian church to give up the instrument for the sake of fellowship. The Disciples/Christian church has a radically different ROOT system connected to the Anglican, High Church view which is rooted in the Catholic church. In spite of the fact that the Church of England failed to approve any person's right to IMPOSE any thing on any church based on church councils. traditionalism and the Law of Silence. If all of the Christian Churches removed the instruments there is no gainfully occupied preacher or church member who has the TIME, energy, money to contribute and church attendance required to be IN FELLOWSHIP.The fact is that the Christian churches were Disciples until between 1927-1971 when they finally got off the census of theDisciples of Christ. As such they had their origin in the Millerite folly. Because they believed that Jesus was returning BUT could not until THEY had converted the Jews, the Society took on a radical form. The Millenniel Harbinger was named to combat this heresy.
Click for Restoration Roots for more. It seems that the Jews didn't want to join the Disciples of Christ but the society never died.
The Disciples/Christian Church, contrary to the false teaching, was based on the following for authority.
Richard L. Hamm: The first is Scripture, which for Christians means, of course, the Holy Bible (which is to say the whole Bible: the Hebrew and Christian testaments).
The second is reason and the third is experience. We Disciples are quite appreciative of these sources. Our movement was born within the philosophical context of
John Locke who said that truth can be known through reason tempered with experience.
In this secular age in which we live, I'm afraid that many of us have increasingly depended on these two sources alone, but reason and experience are two valuable sources for understanding God.The fourth is tradition. The Church has learned some things in the past two thousand years (that's right, the Church learned some things even before Alexander Campbell!). By looking to the Church's tradition (its history, its declarations, its collective wisdom) one can learn much about the nature of God and the nature of humankind. As the sage has said, one who does not learn history is doomed to repeat it. Studying the church's tradition is a way for us to learn some things the easy way!
The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of the Living God,
uses these four sources of revelation to teach us who God is and who we are.There are many other differences. That is not more judgemental than to say that no Church of Christ could be in fellowship meaning to affirm, attend, defend and financially support a Baptist church. Alexander Campbell had more in common with the Baptists than the Disciples but no Baptist church is so unethical as to try to force all Churches of Christ to "fellowship" the Baptists.
THE WEAK MAY HAVE SCRUPLES, MAY BE DAMAGED BY MUSICAL RITUALS OR THE WEAK WHO WOULD IMPOSE MUSIC ARE DEFINED AS WEAK MORALLY AND DISTURBED SEXUALLY. ALL DISCIPLES HAVE LEARNING THE WORD DESTROYED BY ANY OF THE HYPOCRITIC PERFORMANCE ARTS.
The WEAKER brother includes bodily and emotional frail health and the most pagan Athenians would not subject EVERYONE to the same kind of musical or theatrical performand. Modern science knows that it can be extremely hurtful.
IF you want to expand diet and days people showed up at the food stalls then the WEAKER brother always points to the absolute music-sexual-homosexual construct. Paul warned that we worship in the PLACE of our own spirit because outside were the dogs or concision. This identified the emasculated priests of the goddesses who performed musically and sexually. Their "singing" was the old style praise singing which was always to seek a mate before the sun went down.
Even in the vile Symposia where "getting drunk on wine" meant to "get fluted down while drinking wine" PUT OUT the flute girls or harp players IF they wanted to discuss some important event. These were the CROOKED GENERATION identified by their twisted form of singing and playing instruments.
The WEAK also includes the singers and instrument players who would most often be prostitutes or Sodomites. Jesus connected the Jew's hope that John wore SOFT clothing with consigning the pipers, singers and dancers to the Agora or marketplace. The record is absolute: it was only over the ignorant or lower classes that music could exercise its mind-altering power:
Alawys approved: But where the party consists of thorough gentlemen who have had a proper education, you will see neither flute-girls nor dancing-girls nor harp-girls, but only the company contenting themselves with their own conversation, and none of these fooleries and frolics--each speaking and listening decently in his turn.
Alawys denounced: [347c] For it seems to me that arguing about poetry is comparable to the wine-parties of common market-folk. These people, owing to their inability to carry on a familiar conversation over their wine by means of their own voices and discussions--such is their lack of education--put a premium on flute-girls by hiring the extraneous voice of the flute at a high price, and carry on their intercourse by means of its utterance.
- Suneimi: To be joined with, Intercourse is II. to have intercourse with a person, live with hêdonê, desires after pleasure, pleasant lusts, voluptuosus,
Lucian of Samosata they all lie about wrote of Alexander the Oracle Monger.
Alexander, on the other hand, preferred his native place,
urging very truly that an enterprise like theirs required congenial soil to give it a start,
in the shape of 'fat-heads' and simpletons;
that was a fair description, he said, of the Paphlagonians beyond Abonutichus;
they were mostly superstitious and well-to-do;
one had only to go there with someone to play the flute, the tambourine, or the cymbals,
set the proverbial mantic sieve a-spinning,
and there they would all be gaping as if he were a god from heaven.Aristotle: Melody Deceives: "Poets also make use of this in inventing words, as a melody "without strings" or "without the lyre"; for they employ epithets from negations, a course which is approved in proportional metaphors..
According to Philo, the gods of the pagans exploit this weakness of men. For the sake of a better effect, and with the intention of more easily cheating their devotes, that they have set their lies to melodies, rhythms and meters.." Click for more.The form of diction should be neither metrical nor without rhythm.If it is metrical, it lacks persuasiveness, for it appears artificial, and at the same time it distracts the hearer's attention, since it sets him on the watch for the recurrence of such and such a cadence..
AREN'T WE LUCKY THAT JESUS SPOKE THE WORD WITHOUT METER and therefore you could not sing the Bible in a musical sense if your life depended on it.
Jay Guin: Freed Hardemann University had a debate on instrumental music last year between a Christian Church minister and an FHU professor. The FHU professor said, “Why don’t you just give up the instrument for the sake of fellowship?” The Christian Church minister responded, “Why don’t you give up Sunday School classes and go to a single cup for the sake of fellowship?”
It was a silly question and a silly answer. It is not a SIN to use ONE CUP which is the historical practice. It IS clearly a sin introduced by Lucifer the singing and harp playing prostitute in the garden of Eden. Those who BROUGHT David Faust to DLC KNEW that he was going to DEFEND instrumental music as the ONLY way they will permit YOU to join THEM.
It was the Disciples/Christian church which used SILENCE to IMPOSE instruments and SPLIT the Disciples of Christ. The Church of Christ was never in FELLOWSHIP in any organizational sense. Furthermore, the Instrumentalists have a totally different foundation upon which they IMPOSE whatever they wish. On the other hand, EVERYONE was a one cupper before individual cups were IMPOSED.
Furthermore, only preachers with no certificate of need have the leasure to attend, defend and support the use of instruments which are absolutely the MARK of ignoring the Word.
This Christian Church minister was brought in to discuss UNITY but was prepared to deliver the whole NACC White Paper used by agents working with duped Church of Christ preachers to lie about all of the Bible and recorded history to "steal the church house of widows." The problem is that neither "wing" knows any of the Old Testament history and they therefore use the PATTERNISM of a NATIONAL sacrificialy system ABANDONED to worship the starry host.
David Faust at FHU
David Faust on the Temple
David Faust: Instruments Prophesied.
David Faust: Jesus Didn't Address the issue?Jay Guin: Paul’s writings on the subject do teach important doctrinal points that are binding today and that we often ignore. So we need to take a fresh look at this part of Romans 14.
(Rom 14:13-23) Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way. 14 As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.
IMPOSING INSTRUMENTAL MACHINES KNOWING THAT IT WILL DESTROY IS THE MEANING OF PASSING JUDGMENT.
All such imposers use the curse of the sacrificial system to say that God COMMANDS instrumental praise and we must not be disobedient. That passes judgment that not using instruments is being disobedient.
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers,
he made a shew of them openly,
triumphing over them in it.
Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you
in meat,
or in drink,
or in respect of an holyday,
or of the new moon,
or of the sabbath days:
FALSE TEACHERS and their wimpy burgers claim that THEY can impose their own PREFERENCE and if YOU dare question them then YOU are judging. However, the person who condemns you and puts you into the prison of false practices are the only ones to be judge, jury and executioner.
G2919 krinō kree'-no Properly to distinguish, that is, decide (mentally or judicially); by implication to try, condemn, punish:—avenge, conclude, condemn, damn, decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain, call in question, sentence to, think.
Col. 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.a) to pronounce an opinion concerning right and wrong
1) to be judged, i.e. summoned to trial that one's case may be examined and judgment passed upon itb) to pronounce judgment, to subject to censure
1) of those who act the part of judges or arbiters in matters of common life, or pass judgment on the deeds and words of others
The clergy PROFANED the Sabbath which word includes "blow the instruments, steal people's inheritance, pollute and prostitute" and GOT AWAY with it because they had been abandoned.
A shadow is NOT God's old, failed plan of salvation: the Law including the Sabbaths were imposed BECAUSE of transgression to PREVENT people from going to pagan worship services on the Sabbath considered an evil day.
A Shadow is something truly Evil:
G4639 skia skee'-ah Apparently a primary word; “shade” or a shadow (literally or figuratively [darkness of error or an adumbration]):--shadow.
Skia
2. reflection, image (in a bowl of oil), Sch.Il.17.755.
3. shade of one dead, phantom, Od.10.495, A.Th.992,
of worthless things, that phantom at Delphi, of the Amphictyonic council, D.5.25; hai tou dikaiou s. mere shadows of .
4. evil spirit, Hippiatr.130, PMasp.188.5
also, of one worn to a shadow, A.Eu.302;
Both Amos and Isaiah 5 denounce the religious FESTIVALS because they had wine, women and instrumental music.
Hos. 2:11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease,
her feast days,
her new moons,
and her sabbaths,
and all her solemn feasts.
The only use Paul made of the Sabbath was to go teach the Word in the synagogues which was NOT a worship center and had no "praise service" which is distinctly legalistic and pagan. The apostles knew that the Gentiles and Timothy had been made wise unto salvation through the Scriptures.
HOW TO CONDUCT CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city
them that preach him,
being read
in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Speaking through the prophets Christ identified it all as VANITY because it was IMPOSED because of musical idolatry.
Ezek 22:28 And her prophets have
daubed them with untempered [Taphel, Tabret, frivolity] morter,
seeing vanity, and divining lies [magical songs] unto them, saying,
Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken.
Latin: Vānus Ghost, emptiness, nothingness, naught, of persons, show, false, lying, deceptive, delusive, untrustworth, vainglorious, ostentatious, boastful, vain, weak, wavering.
Vanitas B. Esp., falsity, falsehood, deception, untruth, untrustworthiness, fickleness, magice I. the magic art, magic, sorcery (post-Aug.): pariter utrasque artes effloruisse, medicinam [p. 1097] dico magicenqu. Similar to Rythmice I. the art of observing rhythm
Magica Vanities: This is the Garden of Eden Story. Which is the Lucifer-Zoe story etal.
RESONO to sound or ring again, to resound, re-echo, carmina resonantia chordis Romanis, to the strings
Măgĭcus , I.of or belonging to magic, magic, magical , Skilled in INCANTATONS
magicae resonant ubi Memnone chordae, Memnon is I.son of Tithonus and Aurora: The black marble statue of Memnon, near Thebes, when struck by the first beams of the sun [Lucifer Rising], gave forth a sound like that of a lute-string, which was regarded as Memnon's greeting to his mother, Cantus. Magicae resonant ubi Memnon chordae
Seeing Sound: The Displaying of Marsysas, Stephen ConnerWe are perhaps far from being sensitive enough to the cultural phenomenology of musical instruments, and, more particularly, the forms of bodily fantasy they represent. Before instruments acquire their specific values and associations, they enact a primary transformation of the human body.
If the two extremes of human existence are the animal or biological being of the body and the power of thought and self-representation given by language, then the realms of sound, voice and music lie between body and language. A tool performs work upon an object in the world, enabling it to be reshaped and re-produced. As its name suggests, an instrument also works as a mediation: it is instrumental.
But the object of the work performed by an instrument is the body itself. An instrument is an image of this body transformed, or rather of its transformability, a congelation of the idea of the body's possibility of remaking itself in sound, and, reciprocally, of the casting of sound in a bodily form.Instruments provide precipitations in space of the many different postures and phantasms of what I have elsewhere called the 'voice-body' (Connor 2000). These postures are usually ecstatic, involving various forms of stretching, twisting, unbalancing or doubling of the body. Here we might note that the very word instrument (from Latin instruere, to instruct) has acquired overtones suggestive not only of enacted purpose but also of torture. The Inquisition practice of 'showing the instruments' to potential victims of torture, Joan of Arc and Galileo being the most famous victims, perhaps resonates with the Christian idea of the 'instruments of the passion -- the lance, nails and crown of thorns -- which were depicted in icons and stained glass, and celebrated in the medieval festival of the 'Arma Christi'. The singing bones and skins of legend and ballad retain this connection between suffering and music. When the body has become an instrument of torture to its owner, it can then become a musical instrument to preserve and recall that suffering.
Jay Guin: 15 If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16 Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil.
Below, we not that in chapter 10 and in 1 Corinthians 10 Paul connected the eating and drinking which appeal to the carnal senses but have no spiritual value in teaching to the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai where the eating and drinking--as it was in the marketplace defined in Romans 14--with more vile practices.
17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. 19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.
Where the new church members bought their food defined their DIETS. Most people connected people's diet with their religious practices. No one should judge another by what they eat but the DIET pointed to other activities in the marketplace. You remember that Jesus consigned the pipers, singers and instrument players to the marketplace. Not judging based on DIED did not prevent people from judging if they saw a church member singing, dancing and playing instruments as part of their religious practces.
Edification is MUTUAL: it is a one another activity. There are no performing roles such as singers or instrument players in the school of the Bible which is for EDUCATION. Paul and common sense demanded SPEAKING when you educate and that excludes poetry or music which disturbs the mind and is always the MARK of the myth mongers.
20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
The universal understanding is that SATAN introduced the use of musical instruments specificially to destroy the Word of God. Of the religious festival similar to the pagan love feast in Amos and Isaiah. The Agapae in Greece was similar to the Marzeah in say Jerusalem. Amos did not condemn the foods they ate but the singing, playing instruments and other activities which were most often INDUCED by music as in any good tavern.
"The marzeah had an extremely long history extending at least from the 14th century B.C. through the Roman period. In the 14th century B.C., it was prominently associated with the ancient Canaanite city of Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra), on the coast of Syria... The marzeah was a pagan ritual that took the form of a social and religious association... Some scholars regard the funerary marzeah as a feast for--and with--deceased ancestors (or Rephaim, a proper name in the Bible for the inhabitants of Sheol)." (King, Biblical Archaeological Review, Aug, 1988, p. 35, 35)
"These five elements are: (1) reclining or relaxing, (2) eating a meat meal, (3) singing with harp or other musical accompaniment, (4) drinking wine and (5) anointing oneself with oil." (King, p. 37).
"Worship was form more than substance; consequently, conduct in the marketplace was totally unaffected by worship in the holy place. Amos spoke from the conviction that social justice is an integral part of the Mosaic covenant, which regulates relations not only between God and people, but also among people." (King, p. 44).
"In pagan traditions, musical instruments are invented by gods or demi-gods, such as titans. In the Bible, credit is assigned to antediluvian patriarchs, for example, the descendants of Cain in Genesis 4:21. There is no other biblical tradition about the invention of musical instruments." (Freedman, David Noel, Bible Review, Summer 1985, p. 51).
Why destroy the work of God for the sake of instrumental music which all of history notes is for temporary entertainment and as soon as you quit playing it is all over. However, in Amos and Isaiah the Spirit of Christ says that in the meantime you have STARVED the people for lack of the word and they go into captivity to die.
22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
And so is a man condemned if he remains after his church has been stolen and he is told to "get used to it or get out." J.W.McGarvey noted that those who sow discord by IMPOSING that which is not necessary always blame the OFFENDED because they leave. For McGarvey to protest would be to SOW DISCORD.
PROCESS STEP NUMBER ONE: rejecting the pagan musical rituals
PAUL ALWAYS STOPS THE PAGAN PRACTICES ALWAYS USING MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS AS A WEAPON. THEN, HE DEFINES THE ROLE OF THE SYNAGOGUE AS A SCHOOL OF THE WORD -- ONLY -- EVEN THE LORD'S SUPPER IS A TEACHING AID.
Only a legalist would try to stretch this over the fence post of INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC which Paul radically outlaws before he ALWAYS defines the ekklesia or synagogue or Christ as a WORD ONLY school of the Bible. It is not possible to think of church as ceremonial legalism and NOT be the strong members of the church. Weak runs from being infirm to being the Dogs or Wolves Paul and the Greek world used to define WEAK morals including perversion which led to WEAK music. However, the task of the church is not to IMPOSE something hurtful but to defend and protect the lambs. The only role of "music" was to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." The subject begins back in Romans 10 where Paul discussed the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai.
BEFORE he speaks of DIET Paul speaks of the music issue. The Dionysiacs whose diet must be tolerated were also the wine drinkers and meat eaters. However, what they did at NIGHT involved singing, dancing, playing instruments, drinking wine and sexually abusing one another. The Roman government was not as tolerant and so many years earlier they had been regulated to meet in small groups and ONLY during the day light hours. Why would Paul accept the musical worship of them in the church or synagogue in Romans 15 when the Roman government understood the evil nature of stirring up the flesh.
Rom. 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand:PROCESS STEP NUMBER TWO:
let us therefore cast off the works of darkness,
and let us put on the armour of light.
Rom. 13:13 Let us walk honestly [decorous], as in the day;
not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
Rom. 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ,
and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Music is provided ONLY for the flesh. Here is a picture of the Komos or rioting h2979
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Witchcraft isGal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
G5331 φαρμακεία pharmakeia far-mak-i'-ah From G5332 ; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative):--sorcery, witchcraft.
G5332 pharmakeus far-mak-yoos' From φάρμακον pharmakon (a drug, that is, spell giving potion); a druggist (“pharmacist”) or poisoner, that is, (by extension) a magician:sorcerer.
Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians [Apollyon's muses or locusts] and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, [theater builders and stage managers] of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone [called a pipe, made a wistling sound to attract] shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
What do your pantomimists, the actors , that crowd of mimics and adulterers? Do they 179not abuse your gods to make to themselves gain,At the public games, too, the colleges of all the priests and magistrates take their places, the chief Pontiffs, and the chief priests of the curiae; the Quindecemviri take their places, crownedwith wreaths of laurel ,
and do not the others find enticing pleasures in the wrongs and insults offered to the gods?
........ and the flamines diales with their mitres; the augurs take their places,
........ ........ who disclose the divine mind and will
........ ........ and the chaste maidens also, who cherish and guard the ever-burning fire;
the whole people and the senate take their places; the fathers who have done service as consuls, princes next to the gods, and most worthy of reverence; and, shameful to say, Venus, the mother of the race of Mars, and parent of the imperial people, is represented by gestures as in love, and is delineated with shameless mimicryas raving like a Bacchanal, with all the passions of a vile harlot . The Great Mother, too, adorned with her sacred fillets, is represented by dancing;
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
2054. eris, er´-is; of uncertain affinity; a quarrel, i.e. (by implication) wrangling: contention, debate, strife, variance.
PREACHER, SHEPHERD OF THE GOATS OR MUSICIAN.Rom. 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
“Disputing” implies a questioning mind and suggests an arrogant attitude by those who assume they’re always right. Arguing with others in the body of Christ is disruptive. That’s why Paul spent the first part of chapter 2 on humility.
To dwell above, with saints we love, that will be grace and glory
But to live below with saints we know, now that’s a different story!The SECTS in the marketplace would be identified by what DAYS they kept at the marketplace and WHAT FOODS they bought. That would not disqualify either to synagogue (Romans 15) because that was devoted EXCLUSIVELY to teaching the Words of God. Beyond scruples in the marketplace--where Jesus consigned the pipers, singers and dancers--would be the religious practices of the WEAK especially the emasculated musical and sexual performers as priests for the goddesses. Because Romans 14 is always abused to IMPOSE those Jesus and all decent society cast out, it is important that in addition to the INFIRM emotionally the word is highly dedicated to the SOFT the Clergy sought John hoping--as with the usual charismatic prophets--that he word the soft clothing of the CATAMITE or male prostitute. Jesus pointed to Ezekiel 33 to brand the Scribes and Pharisees (hirelings) as hypocrites meaning speakers, singers and instrument players. The point is that all of the performers were professionals and the audience had no intention of obeying because the word PLAY and LOVE songs pointed to a sexual arousal.
Paul restricts all private opinions or practices which are not a part of the ekklesia or synagogue defined by Jesus Christ and Paul in Romans 15. Everything not involved in EDUCATING the DISCIPLES or STUDENTS by the use of THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN is excluded. Because medical science knows what the most ancient people knew, that music disables the rational or spiritual mind and makes true education impossible. Music which was always identified as witchcraft or sorcery has the power to IMPOSE false teachings so that the student believes that they originated the thought. In Genesis the serpent is a Musical Enchanter and in Revelation 17-18 she is a SORCERESS using speakers, singers and instrument players.
PROCESS STEP NUMBER THREE:
Christ ordained the Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness: it was inclusive of REST from religion, reading and rehearsing or memorizing the Word of God sent to the sub-tribal groups. It was exclusivie of vocal or instrumental rejoicing because even not even simple Willie would dare sing, play and instrument or "dance the women's part" as did the Levites.
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hathThe word REST Jesus died to give us is from the laded burden and burden laders and the BURDEN is defined as the modern repeating songs intended to oppress you and force you to give them money.
in every city
them that preach him,
being read in the synagogues every REST day.
By direct command, universal history and common decency the elders would never have decided to ENHANCE the Words of God by the use of the same musical performers the Sacrificial System used on the Sabbath and were excused for PROFANING the REST days because they had already been abandoned to worship the starry host.It ends in demanding that you UPHOLD the weak or infirm by NOT allowing any of the scenic performances AND that you exclude the WEAK or homosexuals who performed religious music.
Romans XV. 1 debemus autem nos firmiores imbecillitates infirmorum sustinere et non nobis placere
Sustinere I. to hold up, hold upright, uphold, to bear up, keep up, support, sustain 1.To sustain, support, maintain, by food, money, or other means (maintain, preserve with dignity of a citizen II. Concr., the citizens united in a community, the body - politic, the state, and as this consists of one city and its territory, or of several cities, it differs from urbs, i.e. the compass of the dwellings of the collected citizens;
Imbecillitas Caes. B. G. 7, 77, 9
Jay Guin and other promoters of IMPOSING instruments into a true church is based not LETTING the scruples of people prevent YOU from making church a self-pleasuring experience.
Caes. B. G. 7, 77, 9 Caesar, Gallic War 7.77. LXXVII. But those who were blockaded at Alesia , the day being past, on which they had expected auxiliaries from their countrymen, and all their corn being consumed ignorant of what was going on among the Aedui, convened an assembly [Concilium Pastorium] and deliberated on the exigency of their situation. After various opinions had been expressed among them, some of which proposed a surrender, others a sally, while their strength would support it, the speech of Critognatus ought not to be omitted for its singular and detestable cruelty.
Concilium is the same as Latin ecclesia or Greek sulloge or synagogue. I.a collection of people, an association, gathering, union, meeting A.An assembly for consultation pastorum pasco 2.To feed, nourish, maintain, support, 3.To cherish, cultivate, let grow, feed4. Of animals, to graze, browse (poet.):
pascentes capellae,Verg. E. 3, 96 The SOLE role of the elders as the only pastor-teachers is to PREVENT the sounds of rushing waters (a musical, danger sound) and to feed the lambs or goats by leading them to pastures.
You feed the Capella or goats WITH GRASS: you do NOT let the goats feed YOU.
Verg. E. 3, 96 Virgil, Mario
MENALCAS
O every way
unhappy sheep, unhappy flock! while he
still courts Neaera, fearing lest her choice
should fall on me, this hireling shepherd here
wrings hourly twice their udders, from the flock
filching the life-juice, from the lambs their milk. DAMOETAS
“My Muse, although she be but country-bred,
is loved by Pollio: O Pierian Maids,
pray you, a heifer for your reader feed!”
DAMOETAS
“Pollio himself too doth new verses make:
feed ye a bull now ripe to butt with horn,
and scatter with his hooves the flying sand.”
Polio: A Roman knight and a friend of Augustus. He was by birth a freedman, and has obtained a place in history on account of his riches and his cruelty. He was accustomed to feed his lampreys with human flesh, and whenever a slave displeased him, the unfortunate wretch was forthwith thrown into the pond as food for the fish
MENALCAS
“Who hates not Bavius [dull poet], let him also love
thy songs, O Maevius, ay, and therewithal
yoke foxes to his car, and he-goats milk.” JAY GUIN ETAL WANT TO VIOLATE AND EXPLOIT THE WEAK AND INFIRM TO MAKE A PLACE FOR THE MORALLY WEAK.Pastor 2.The minister or superintendent of a church or congregation
Ezek XXXIV. The word of Yahweh came to me, saying,[2] Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and tell them, even to the shepherds, Thus says the Lord Yahweh: Woe to the shepherds of Israel who feed themselves! Shouldn't the shepherds feed the sheep?[3] You eat the fat, and you clothe you with the wool, you kill the fatlings; but you don't feed the sheep.[4] You haven't strengthened the diseased, neither have you healed that which was sick, neither have you bound up that which was broken, neither have you brought back that which was driven away, neither have you sought that which was lost; but with force and with rigor have you ruled over them.[5] They were scattered, because there was no shepherd; and they became food to all the animals of the field, and were scattered.
Eph 4:[11] He gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, shepherds and teachers;[12] for the perfecting of the saints, to the work of serving, to the building up of the body of Christ;[13] until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a full grown man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of ChristInfirmus I. not strong, weak, feeble. Very uncertain about their beliefs. This could be superstitious about what foods they coudl eat. Cic. Fam. 15, 1, 3
sum paulo infirmior, Hor. S. 1, 9, 71Cicero 1 11 My dear Tullia's ill-health and weakness frightens me to death. I gather that you are shewing her great attention, for which I am deeply grateful.
Horace 1.9.
"We do not live there in the manner you imagine; there is not a house that is freer or more remote from evils of this nature. It is never of any disservice to me, that any particular person is wealthier or a better scholar than I am: every individual has his proper place.""You tell me a marvelous thing, scarcely credible."
"But it is even so."
"You the more inflame my desires to be near his person.""You need only be inclined to it: such is your merit, you will accomplish it: and he is capable of being won; and on that account the first access to him he makes difficult."
"I will not be wanting to myself; I will corrupt his servants with presents; if I am excluded to-day, I will not desist; I will seek opportunities; I will meet him in the public streets; I will wait upon him home. Life allows nothing to mortals without great labor."
IT IS A FACT THAT SINGING, PLAYING, EATING MEATS, SELLING BODIES AND ALL COMMERCE WAS QUARANTINED TO THE AGORA OR MARKETPLACE.
Not even the Roman Government permitted the RELIGIOUS PRACTICES of the morally weak. You can never make a scruple over what days one buys their DIET in the marketplace into IMPOSING their religious practices where the role of the elder is to FEED the flock with the Word of God--only.
DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO PROVIDE A VENUE SO THAT THE MORALLY WEAK CAN PERFORM?
770. GREEK: astheneo, as-then-eh´-o; from 772 [figurative and moral]; to be feeble (in any sense): be diseased, impotent folk (man), (be) sick, (be, be made) weak. asthen-eia in moral sense, feebleness, weakness
WEAK: Latin In-firmus, Weak in mind or character, superstitious, pusillanimous, inconstant, light-minded: very uncertain, not to be depended on, Of things, of no weight or consequence, weak, trivial, inconclusive
WEAK: Delicate is Malakos path-êtikos d. = pathêtikos e. of music, soft, effeminate, harmoniai, of reasoning, weak, loose, logos Isoc.12.4 , sullogizesthai to reason loosely,
Mousikos II. of persons, skilled in music, musical, III. of things, elegant, delicate; professional musicians, mousikos kai melôn poêtês, hêdion ouden, harmonious [in tune], fitting, trophê
Music means Pathêtikos
- Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1 Corinthians 6:9
- Abusers are:
- Arsenokoites (g733) ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace; from 730 and 2845; a sodomite: - abuser of (that defile) self with mankind.
1Cor. 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
1Cor. 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Cor. 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Arnobius defining heresies:
41. Was it for this He sent souls, that they which shortly before had been gentle
and ignorant of what it is to be moved by fierce passions,
should build for themselves markets and amphi-theatres, places of blood and open wickedness, in the one of which they should see men devoured and torn in pieces by wild beasts, and themselves slay others for no demerit but to please and gratify the spectators, [voluptatemque] and should spend those very days on which such wicked deeds were done in general enjoyment,and keep holiday with festive gaiety; while in the other, again, they should tear asunder the flesh of wretched animals, some snatch one part, others another, as dogs and vultures do, should grind them with their teeth, and give to their utterly insatiable maw, and that, surrounded by faces so fierce and savage, those should bewail their lot whom the straits of poverty withheld from such repasts; that their life should be happy and prosperous while such barbarous doings defiled their mouths and face?
Was it for this He sent souls, that, forgetting their importance and dignity as divine, they should acquire gems, precious stones, pearls, at the expense of their purity; should entwine their necks with these, pierce the tips of their ears, bind their foreheads with fillets, seek for cosmetics to deck their bodies, darken their eyes with henna ; nor, though in the forms of men, blush to curl their hair with crisping-pins, to make the skin of the body smooth, to walk with bare knees, and with every other kind of wantonness,
Music means Hêdonê desires after pleasure, pleasant lusts, Ep.Tit.3.3, al. dêmêgorein [A demagogue uses the performing arts to appease the masses for profit]both to lay aside the strength of their manhood,
and to grow in effeminacy to a woman's habits and luxury?For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. Tit 3:3
This is the SELF-pleasure Paul outlawed for the assembly:
Aresko (g700) ar-es'-ko; prob. from 142 (through the idea of exciting emotion); to be agreeable (or by impl. to seek to be so): - please. the STAFF borne by pornoboskoi [brothel keeper] on the stage
Exairô -lift up, lift off the earth 2. raise in dignity, exalt, magnify, exaggerate it. Rhetoric, treat in elevated style, of music
3. arouse, stir up excites thy wish to die, pervert, make away with, get rid of, to be excited, agitated. Includes: Choreia [choreuô] a dance, esp. the choral or round dance with its music.Music MARKS the effeminate
"Now, many a man from the false religions, which are not ashamed of criticising what is noble, will ask: how can there be a feast without carousing and overeating, without the pleasant company of hosts and guests, without quantities of unmixed wine, without richly set tables and highly stacked provisions of everything that pertains to a banquet, without pageantry and jokes,
bantering and merry-making to the accompaniment of flutes and citharas, the sound of drums and cymbals and other effeminate and frivolous music of every king,
enkindling unbridled lusts with the help of the sense of hearing. For in and through the same [pleasures] those persons openly seek their joy, for what true joy is their they do not know.
EKKLESIA OR SYNAGOGUE EXCLUDES IMPROVISING YOUR OWN STUDY MATERIALS.
Jay Guin: Just so, if an eldership (or minister) wants to initiate a new practice at church, the membership must be forewarned and taught so they don’t find themselves encouraged to sin against their consciences–or leave! Teaching is always appropriate and likely the only way to completely overcome these kinds of issues.
After music has been outlawed for the church in the wilderness and that was understood by most recorded history, why would the lust to have musical performers USURP the time and words of Jesus Christ be so desperate that you would have to slowly "navigage the winds of change" or "boil the frog" to keep them from FLEEING BABYLON as a large number always do even after you have spent a decade trying to deceive them.
The elders are the ONLY Pastor Teachers and their direct command it to teach that which has been taught. The elders are usually NOT able to teach and therefore they hire a MEDIATOR to be their front man. Because he is almost a YOUNGER in Lipscomb's words he is NOT Apt to be a pastor teachers BECAUSE he has studied theology and missed much of the Bible. If respect for Christ is not enough Paul outlawed any right of the elders to "initiate a new practice at church."
Rom 15:1 WE then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
The weak in a musical/sexual sense were identified by Paul as DOGS: that is why worship must be in the PLACE of the human spirit and not IN THE FLESH. The dogs prowl about seeking whom they may devour and you can identify them by their "singing styles."
Dogs are Kuon II. as a word of reproach, freq. in Hom. of women, to denote shamelessness or audacity; applied by Helen to herself, offensive persons, compared to yapping dogs, Psalm 22:
Psalm 22:[11] Don't be far from me, for trouble is near. For there is none to help.[12] Many bulls have surrounded me. Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled me.[13] They open their mouths wide against me, Lions tearing prey and roaring.[14] I am poured out like water. All my bones are out of joint. My heart is like wax; It is melted within me.[15] My strength is dried up like a potsherd. My tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth. You have brought me into the dust of death.[16] For dogs have surrounded me. A company of evil-doers have enclosed me. They pierced my hands and my feet.[17] I can count all of my bones. They look and stare at me.[18] They divide my garments among them. They cast lots for my clothing.[19] But don't be far off, Yahweh. You are my help: hurry to help me.[20] Deliver my soul from the sword, My precious life from the power of the dog.[21] Save me from the lion's mouth;3. of the Cynics, areskei toutois kunôn metamphiennusthai bion Pan is the kuôn of Cybele, Bakchai, Lussas k. E.Ba.977
These prowled the marketplace where diets would be disclosed in Romans 14.
Aresko (g700) ar-es'-ko; prob. from 142 (through the idea of exciting emotion); to be agreeable (or by impl. to seek to be so): - please.
Airo (h142) ah'ee-ro; a prim. verb; to lift; by impl. to take up or away; fig. to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); spec. to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Heb. [comp. 5375] to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).
This had the same meaning of EXTERNAL SINGING:
Aoidê 1. art of song, autar aoidên thespesiên, spell, incantation, thing sung, song, whether of joy or sorrow,
Aeidô sing,.hence of all kinds of vocal sounds, crow as cocks, hoot as owls, croak as frogs,; hoi tettiges chamothen aisontai, crowing too soon.
The tettiges are the LOCUSTS which are the MUSES serving Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyo
Hairetikos (g141) hahee-ret-ee-kos'; from the same as 140; a schismatic: - heretic [the Gr. word itself].
A man that is an heretick, after the first and second admonition reject; Tit.3:10
Areskos A. pleasing, mostly in bad sense, obsequious, cringing, Arist.EN1108a28, 1126b12, Thphr.Char.5.1. II. areskos, ho, the staff borne by pornoboskoi [brothel keeper] on the stage, OUTLAWED: to express the opinion or resolution of a public body, also of prevailing opinions; ta areskonta the dogmas of philosopher, please, satisfy, despozô 2. c. gen., to be lord or master of, to gain control of or possession of.
Arist.EN1108a28 Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics book 2
[12] In respect of truth then,the middle character may be called truthful, and the observance of the mean Truthfulness1 ; pretence in the form of exaggeration is Boastfulness, and its possessor a boaster; in the form of understatement, Self-depreciation, and its possessor the self-depreciator.
[13] In respect of pleasantness and social amusement, the middle character is witty and the middle disposition Wittiness; the excess is Buffoonery and its possessor a buffoon; the deficient man may be called boorish, and his disposition Boorishness. In respect of general pleasantness in life, the man who is pleasant in the proper manner is friendly, and the observance of the mean is Friendliness; he that exceeds, if from no interested motive, is obsequious, if for his own advantage, a flatterer; he that is deficient, and unpleasant in all the affairs of life, may be called quarrelsome and surly.
The direct command for the synagogue or church is the wilderness was THE WORDS OF GOD which would be in the minds of any compent elder of the sub groups. Vocal or instrumental rejoicing was EXCLUDED and remained excluded for anyone who goes WITHIN the sacred words instead of BEYOND THE SACRED PAGES. Doubtful disputationa and the SELF-pleasure words EXCLUDE even the authority to HALLUCINATE adding to the only TEXT BOOK.. More below
Jay Guin: Particularly, teaching on grace is needed, rather than the peculiarities of the arguments for or against your position. Members have to be taught that, as Paul says, “For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit … .”
In Romans 10 Paul had defined the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai: when they rose up to PLAY the meaning was singing and playing instruments which was always to arouse sexual and homosexual "play" or in Paul's word SPORTING. In 1 Corinthians 10 Paul identified this eating and drinking and playing as DEMON worship.
Ex. 32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.
1Cor. 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
Ludo A.To sport, play with any thing, to practise as a pastime, amuse one's self with any thing: Especially, to play on an instrument of music, to make or compose music or song, B.To sport, dally, wanton (cf. "amorous play,
Professor Robert Briffault's introductory words to his article titled "Sex in Religion" published in the book "Sex in Civilization" (Garden City Publishing Co.).
"The elaborate mystic theology of Egypt was replete with sexual symbolism; hierodular [sacred] prostitution, ritual bestiality were among the observances of its cult. The religions of Babylonia, of Asia Minor, of the far-flung Semitic colonies, were notorious for the licentiousness of their rites: their priestesses were sacred prostitutes and prostitution was incumbent upon every woman.
'Nearly all peoples, except the Egyptians and the Greeks,' says Herodotus, 'have intercourse with women in the temples.'
The religion of Greece, though obscenity and license were attenuated in its later phases, presented the same rites and the same features as those of Babylon and Syria; brothels were attached to the temples; phallic emblems, ritual obscenity, the conventionalized celebration of the sexual union remained to the last as features of its most sacred ceremonies. Even the austere and simple religion of Rome was associated in its most venerated native rites with ithyphallic images [showing the genitalia] of the gods, Fescennine [obscene] ribaldry, and symbolic coitus" (pp.31,32). This appraisal by Prof. Briffault is most accurate.
To this common description of early religious beliefs, we have the incident of Aaron bringing out the bull for the Israelites to worship when Moses remained longer on Mount Sinai than the people thought. The people were getting edgy so Aaron made a festivity for them by fashioning the golden calf and told them to worship the calf in a sexual manner (Exodus 32:25-35). God was angry with Aaron and the people for this. But the people thought that by their sexual actions they were actually worshipping God in a proper way. Their worship was to "Baal-Peor" (Hebrew: "Lord of the Opening," that is, "Lord of the Vagina") (see Psalm 106:28,29 for this identification). The rebellious Israelites were making images (and setting up pillars) in honor of this pagan deity that demanded gross sexual actions as a part of the "nature rituals" by the worshippers. This was nothing strange to the Israelites because most Gentile religious activities involved a measure of sexual activity as a part of their liturgies and rituals.
God had given them The Book of The Covenant of Grace: when the ROSE UP TO PLAY this marked God turning them over to worship; the starry host. God gave them The Book of The Law and began the process of removing them back beyond Babylon to be lost forever.
SUGGESTING THAT GRACE CAN OVERCOME THE CLEAR STATEMENT OF SCRIPTURE MARKS THE REMOVAL OF GRACE.
The GRACE of the false teachers was "a brown-eyed group of Greek prostitutes." GRACE includes the erotic sense of a male giving FAVORS to another male. ALL of the NACC's PLUCKING proof text point to just such males and meaning CHARISMATIC. Grace NEVER permits an elder or preacher to IMPOSE anything not REQUIRED to be a school of the Bible. As Word or Logos is the personified WORDS of the inaudible God, Grace also personified Jesus Christ who CAST OUT the musical ministels LIKE DUNG because flute-girl and religious prostitute were synonyms (Rev 17-18)
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts,
we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.Jay Guin: Teaching is the ultimate solution. But you can spend decades on the role of women, divorce and remarriage, mixed bathing, etc., etc., etc. There no end of “issues” for people to have scruples over. Far better to talk about the bigger picture and help your members learn how God wants us to understand our faith.
GRACE never trumps truth: to find a wider role for women where none exists for most males is to suddenly TRUMP all of the Bible's clear definitions and the view of church history. Most telling is when women were permitted clergy roles but NEVER LITURGICAL and things went to pot. Only the Mad Women of Corinth and Ephesus and other places are restricted because females OR the effeminate will always fall into what Paul called WRATH which means ORGY.
Orgi-astikos of or for orgia, exciting, ouk estin ho aulos êthikon, alla . . orgiastikon Arist.Pol.1341a22 ; o. kai pathêtika ib.1342b3.
Kin-êtikos A. of or for putting in motion, 2. metaph., urging on, exciting, neura motor nerves, spontaneous
2. metaph., urging on, exciting logos k. pros aretên Aristo stimulating, to melos B. esp. musical member, phrase: hence, song, strain, 2. music to which a song is set, tune, 3. melody of an instrument,Turbulant Similar: Instiga-tio , o-nis, f. [instigo] , an urging, stimulating, instigating, an incitement, instigation: Auditorum, Auct. Her. 2, 30, 47 : novercalibus instigationibus corrupti, Dig. 5, 2, 4 : praedonum, Lact. 5, 19, 2 .
Histrio-na-lis , e, adj. [histrio] , of or belonging to a stage-player, like an actor (a word of Tac.): studium, Tac. A. 1, 16 : modi, id. Or. 26 : favor, id. ib. 29
Tacitus, The Annals BOOK 1: A.D. 14, 15
This was the beginning of demoralization among the troops, of quarreling, of listening to the talk of every pestilent fellow, in short, of craving for luxury and idleness and loathing discipline and toil.
In the camp was one Percennius, who had once been a leader of one of the theatrical factions, then became a common soldier, had a saucy tongue, and had learnt from his applause of actors how to stir up a crowd. By working on ignorant minds, which doubted as to what would be the terms of military service after Augustus, this man gradually influenced them in conversations at night or at nightfall, and when the better [p. 15] men had dispersed, he gathered round him all the worst spirits.SPEAKING OF THE MUSICAL IDOLATRY AT MOUNT SINAI:
Nor are these Thracian orgies, from which the word Worship (threskia) is said to be derived; nor rites and mysteries of Orpheus, whom the Greeks admired so much for his wisdom that they devised for him a lyre which draws all things by its music.
"Singing served as a means of inducing ecstatic prophecy (speaking in tongues).
Thus the essential relationship between music and prophecy can be clearly seen. This relationship also explains why the expression for "making music" and "prophesying" was often identical in the ancient tongues. origen contra celsum 8.67.
The Hebrew word Naba signifies not only "to prophesy" but also "to make music." (Quasten, Johannes, Music and Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity, p. 39)
Nor the tortures of Mithras19 which it is just that those who can endure to be initiated into such things should suffer; nor the manglings of Osiris,20 another calamity honoured by the Egyptians; nor the ill-fortunes of Isis21 and the goats more venerable than the Mendesians, and the stall of Apis,22 the calf that luxuriated in the folly of the Memphites, nor all those honours with which they outrage the Nile, while themselves proclaiming it in song to be the Giver of fruits and corn, and the measurer of happiness by its cubits.
19 These Mysteries were of Persian origin, connected it is said with the worship of the SUN. The neophytes were mad to undergo twelve different kinds of torture.
20 The Egyptian Mysteries.
21 Zeus fell in love with Isis, and carried her off in the form of a heifer. Here, discovering the fraud, sent a gadfly, which drove Isis mad.
22 Apis, the sacred bull, worshipped at Memphis. AND by the Israelites in Amos and Isaiah.Jay Guin: You see, the “weak” brother in Paul’s writing is always the brother who seeks to wrongly bind a rule. The strong brother understands that wine is not inherently wrong (vv. 17-21). The weak brother believes God has made wine inherently wrong. But the strong brother does not serve or drink wine where to do so tempts the weak brother to sin.
The weak INCLUDES the infirm and no one failed to grasp that the arousal singing and playing instruments in the marketplace would further destroy the emotional and physical health of a large part of any group. WHY would an elder appeal to GRACE to STOP being a shepherd and BEGIN to entertain the goats and invite the wolves inside. Paul's warning about wolves is a warning against the homosexual performers Paul called DOGS or WOLVES.
lukos hymning an impossibility, of treacherous or unnatural love, Humenai, to sing the wedding to take a "wife." The wolf HYMNS the wedding song to lie down with the LAMB.
VI. nickname of paiderastai, AP12.250 (Strat.), cf. Pl.Phdr. 241d.
Complete Phaedrus
241d] “Just as the wolf loves the lamb, so the lover adores his beloved.” There it is,
But I told you so, I am speaking in verse, and therefore I had better make an end; enough.
Phaedrus
But I thought you were in the middle of it, and would say as much about the non-lover as you have said about the lover, to set forth all his good points and show that he ought to be favored. So now, Socrates, why do you stop?
Socrates. Well, and is not Eros the son of Aphrodite, and a god?
- Aphrodites is Aphroditês , Sexual love, a womans form of oath, vehement longing or desire, hedonism, pleasure (outlawed in Romans 15), Chrar, Grace, Aster or Venus or ZOE. Tormentor to mortals, a spiteful, lazy Goddess. She calls assemblies in the Agora.
Chorus
[791] You seize the minds of just men and drag them to injustice, to their ruin. You it is who have incited this conflict of men whose flesh and blood are one. [795] But victory belongs to radiant Desire swelling from the eyes of the sweet-bedded bride. Desire sits enthroned in power beside the mighty laws. [800] For in all this divine Aphroditeplays her irresistible game.Commentary [800] empaizei, 'wreaks her will' in that contest which nikai implies. We find empaizô with a dat. (1) of the object, as Her. 4.134 empaizontas hêmin, 'mocking us': (2) of the sphere, as Ar. Th. 975 choroisin empaizei, 'sports in dances.' The en of empaizei here might also be explained as (a) in the imeros, or the blephara, i.e. by their agency: or (b) 'on her victim.' But the interpretation first given appears simpler. (Cp. Vergil's absol. use of illudere, G. 1. 181, Tum variae illudant pestes.)
WRONG: the weak may be the 50% INFIRM for which charismatic or musical AROUSAL is damaging to body and emotions. The OTHER weak people were the Dogs or Wolves or Cynics who would promote SOFT clothing, SOFT carfessing rhetoric and SOFT or effeminate music which APPEALS only to "women and the effeminate."
Jay Guin: The solution to doctrinal disagreement is not yielding to the most legalistic in the community. It’s both sides learning to yield their scruples to Christ.
The WEAK terrorize the STRONG by using MUSIC to impose THEIR LAWS: a musical instrument is a lifeless instrument or a carnal weapon says Paul. The lawmakers are often the most lawless.
So, the FACT is that being a Lawyer, Jay Guin is PROMOTING rank legalism. A musical instrument is a MACHINE for doing hard work mostly in making war or in creating the charismatic shock and awe to MAKE THE LAMBS DUMB BEFORE THE SLAUGHTER.
In fact a musical instrument is a MACHINE for doing hard work in making war and creating religious spectacles. The service of the Levites was hard bondage or slavery.
Bront-eion , to,
A. engine for making stage-thunder, Poll.4.130.Organum -Of musical instruments, a pipe, Quint. 11, 3, 20; 9, 4, 10; Juv. 6, 3, 80; Vulg. Gen. 4, 21; id. 2 Par. 34, 12 et saep.--Of hydraulic engines, an organ, water-organ: organa hydraulica, Suet. Ner. 41 : aquatica, Mythogr. Lat. 3, 12.--Of a church-organ
Organon , to, ( [ergon, erdô] )to, ( [ergon, erdô] ) I. an implement, instrument,
A. instrument, implement, tool, for making or doing a thing
3.musical instrument
2.organ of sense or apprehension, theaomai, gaze at, behold, mostly with a sense of wonder, 3. view as spectators, esp. in the theatreErgon [Ergô] I.work, 1. in Il. mostly of deeds of war, polemêïaerga, 3. a hard piece of work, a hard task, Il.: also, a shocking deed or act,
Ergon [opposite to productive work] alêth-ês [Opposite of truthful, honest people, opposite of true, unerring oracles] 1.works or deeds of war,
3. melody of an instrument, phor in Il. mostly ofAristotle Politics 1341b and all the instruments that require manual skill. And indeed there is a reasonable foundation for the story that was told by the ancients about the flute. The tale goes that Athena found a flute and threw it away. Now it is not a bad point in the story that the goddess did this out of annoyance because of the ugly distortion of her features; but as a matter of fact it is more likely that it was because education in flute-playing has no effect on the intelligence, whereas we attribute science and art to Athena
And since we reject professional education in the instruments and in performance (and we count performance in competitions as professional, for the performer does not take part in it for his own improvement, but for his hearers' pleasure, and that a vulgar pleasure, owing to which we do not consider performing to be proper for free men, but somewhat menial; and indeed performers do become vulgar, since the object at which they aim is a low one, as vulgarity in the audience usually influences the music, so that it imparts to the artists who practise it with a view to suit the audience a special kind of personality,
Latn psilos or speak IV. logos ps. bare language, i. e. prose, opp. to poetry which is clothed in the garb of metre, logos is a mere speech, a speech unsupported by evidence;
The only LEGALISITIC word in the Greek religion was the word NOMOS: this was the MUSICAL dispensing of the laws of Apollo or Apollyon BY the muses or dirty adulteresses.
[483b] for whom it is better to be dead than alive, as it is for anybody who, when wronged or insulted, is unable to protect himself or anyone else for whom he cares. But I suppose the makers of the laws are the weaker sort of men, and the more numerous. So it is with a view to themselves and their own interest that they make their laws and distribute their praises and censures;[483c] and to terrorize the stronger sort of folk who are able to get an advantage, and to prevent them from getting one over them, they tell them, that such aggrandizement is foul and unjust, and that wrongdoing is just this endeavor to get the advantage of one's neighbors: for I expect they are well content to see themselves on an equality, when they are so inferior. So this is why by convention it is termed unjust and foul to aim at an advantage over the majority,
[483d] and why they call it wrongdoing: but nature, in my opinion, herself proclaims the fact that it is right for the better to have advantage of the worse, and the abler of the feebler. It is obvious in many cases that this is so, not only in the animal world, but in the states and races, collectively, of men--that right has been decided to consist in the sway and advantage of the stronger over the weaker. For by what manner of right did Xerxes
Plato Gorgias [483e] march against Greece, or his father against Scythia? Or take the countless other cases of the sort that one might mention. Why, surely these men follow nature--the nature of right--in acting thus; yes, on my soul, and follow the law1 of nature--though not that, I dare say, which is made by us; we mold the best and strongest amongst us, taking them from their infancy like young lions, and utterly enthral them by our spells
Callicles boldly applies the word nomos, which so far has been used in the sense of man-made law or convention
A. katadoul-oô reduce to slavery, enslave, I. metaph., enslave in mind, break in spirit, cf. 2 Ep.Cor.11.20;
[484a] and witchcraft, telling them the while that they must have but their equal share, and that this is what is fair and just. But, I fancy, when some man arises with a nature of sufficient force, he shakes off all that we have taught him, bursts his bonds, and breaks free; he tramples underfoot our codes and juggleries, our charms and “laws,” which are all against nature; our slave rises in revolt and shows himself our master, and there
[484b] dawns the full light of natural justiceIsaiah 58 outlaws self-pleasure and "speaking your own words." Jesus identifies the sons of the Devil as "speaking on their own." In neither synagogue or ecclesia did ANY citizen have the right to suggest material to heard read, discuss and sum up with a conclusion. No private speeches or songs are permitted without claiming superiority over the Word of God. Poets and song writers were permitted to write only myths or fables and never true historh.
Therefore, the synagogue in Romans 15 EXCLUDES all private diversities so that you can teach that which is written using one mind and one mouth: this would edify or educate, glorify or praise God Who wrote all of the songs and sermons, comfort one another with SCRIPTURE and prevent the sowing of discord.
In the very first verse Paul as usual repudiates those things people promote as "diversities of opinion." Doubtful disuptations to destroy what Paul calls "synagogue" or school of the Bible in Romans 15 where SELF-pleasure is outlawed which outlaws all of the performing arts so that we can "speak that which is written witn one mind and one mouth."
“Disputing” implies a questioning mind and suggests an arrogant attitude by those who assume they’re always right. Arguing with others in the body of Christ is disruptive. That’s why Paul spent the first part of chapter 2 on humility.
To dwell above, with saints we love, that will be grace and glory
But to live below with saints we know, now that’s a different story!Dialogismos is used 14 times in the NAS (Matthew; Mark; Luke 6x; Romans 2x; 1 Corinthians; Philippians; 1 Timothy; James) and is translated as: argument, 1; disputing, 1; dissension, 1; doubts, 1; motives, 1; opinions, 1; reasonings, 2; speculations, 1; thoughts, 3; what...were thinking
Dialogismos is used 11 times in the Septuagint (LXX) (Ps 40:5, 56:5, 92:5, 94:11, 139:2, 139:20, 146:4, Isa 59:7, Jer 4:14, Lam 3:60-61) Dialogismos often means the perverse, vain thinking which contemplates destruction (Ps. 94:11), and is turned against God (Jer. 4:14; Isa. 59:7) and against the godly (Ps. 56:5).
Commenting on Phil 2:14, MacArthur notes that dialogismos...
soon developed the more specific ideas of questioning, doubting, or disputing the truth of a matter. In Romans 14:1, the word is used of passing judgment on another believer’s opinions and in 1 Timothy 2:8 it is rendered “dissension.” Whereas grumbling is essentially emotional, disputing is essentially intellectual. A person who continues to murmur and grumble against God will eventually argue and dispute with Him. (MacArthur, J. Philippians. Chicago: Moody Press)
THE ONLY ISSUE WAS OBSERVING MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH IN THE MARKETPLACE. THERE, THEY WOULD BUY FOODS. THEIR DIET DEFINED WHICH SECT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY BELONGED TO. ALL OF THEM PRACTICED MUSIC TO DELIBERATELY DRIVE THE MEMBERS INTO A MENTAL FRENZY. THEN, THEY COLLECTED MONEY FOR JOINING THE WORSHIPER WITH A PERSONAL ENCOUNTER WITH THEIR GOD.
Those Christians could continue to eat flesh or "beans" because neither had any thing to do with the SYNAGOGUE or EKKLESIA. However, they could not continue the pracrtices of the Dionysus meat eaters, wine drinkers, and musical ritualists: the old wineskin religion.
Rom. 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom. 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom. 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom. 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
If you observe certain holidays and continue to eat flesh sold by the pagan sacrificial systems in the marketplace, there is no problem because the Kingdom or Church has nothing to do with your diet or keeping Roman holidays. However, Paul puts a severe limit on what is acceptable:
Rom. 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Rom. 14:19 Let us therefore
follow after the things which make for peace,
and things wherewith one may edify another.Playing instruments when Jesus Christ comes to be out Teacher when the elders teach that which Christ has taught is NOT serving Christ but is creating the "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals" or the laded burden (songs) which He died to remove.
Playing instruments DESTROYS the peace BOTH by the definition of the EFFECT of music and because it DRIVES OUT those who want to be EDUCATED with Christ's Words as the only allowable resource.
Instrumental music DOES NOT edify anyone but shuts down the spiritual or rational WORD-related brain and creates sexual impulses..
HOW EDIFICATION TAKES PLACE IN THE EKKLESIA, SYNAGOGUE OR CHURCH OF CHRIST.
MUSIC DOES NOT EDIFY BUT CREATES THE SPIRITUAL ANXIETY JESUS DIED TO REMOVE.
Aedifica-tio, speaks of building up a house or maybe church.
III. Fig., building up, instructing, edification.
(a). Absol.: loquitur ad aedificationem, Vulg. 1 Cor. 14, 3 ; 14, 26.--1Cor. 14:3 But he that prophesieth
speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Cor. 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church
Paul compared percussion and wind instruments to SPEAKING IN TONGES.
The word SPEAK is both inclusive and exclusive.
loquor , whisper; to speak, talk, say (in the language of common life, in the tone of conversation; (b).: ad aedificationem Ecclesiae, Vulg. 1 Cor. 14, 12 ; ib. Eph. 4, 12.
Aedificationem Ecclesiae,
To Edify in the ASSEMBLY you must speak "that which is written" with one MIND and one MOUTH where the word Speak is: Logik-os, [logos] A. of or for speaking or speech, merê logikê, hê, speech, opposite to mousikê or phantasia expressed in speech,
Again, the EXCLUDED music is perverted and perverting and never edifying or educating.
OPPOSITE TO: Mousikos II. of persons, skilled in music, musical, III. of things, elegant, delicate, brômata Diox.1; professional musicians, mousikos kai melôn poêtês, hêdion ouden, oude -ôteron Philem.23 ; harmonious [in tune], fitting, trophê Delicate Malakos path-êtikos d. = pathêtikos e. of music, soft, effeminate, m. harmoniai, g. of reasoning, weak, loose, logos Isoc.12.4 , sullogizesthai to reason loosely,
EXAMPLES:
Again, Philodemus held as self deceptive the view that music mediated religious ecstasy. He saw the entire condition induced by the noise of cymbals and tambourines as a disturbance of the spirit. He found it significant that, on the whole, only women and effeminate men fell into this folly.
Accordingly, nothing of value could be attributed to music; it was no more than a slave of the sensation of pleasure, which satisfied much in the same way that food and drink did. Johannes Quasten. In Music and Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity, beginning on page 41
1Cor. 14:3 But he that prophesieth [TEACHES]
speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Cor. 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;
but he that prophesieth edifieth the church
God did not give any singers or instrument players: they cannot edify. The church has no ROLE to perform "worship" rituals for which you can HAVE a preference.
EDIFICATION is restricted to speaking only
1Cor. 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
Eph. 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some,
evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph. 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry,
for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph. 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith,
and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man,
unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
How can you learn about Jesus Christ by giving heed (the sole worship word) to musical performers Jesus identified as hypocrites?
Ecclesia ( ecclesia) an assembly of the (Greek) people.I. Prop.: et ecclesia consentiente, senate and people, in the free cities of Greece:
This is opposite the MARKETPLACE where you eat what you wish without judgment.
Gregory Nanzianzen in Oration XXXI
But if these things are true, they ought not to be called myths, but to be proved not to be shameful; and if they are false, they ought not to be objects of wonder; nor ought people so inconsiderately to hold the most contrary opinions about the same thing,as if they were playing in the market-place with boys or really ill-disposed men,
not engaged in discussion with men of sense, and worshippers of the Word,
though despisers of this artificial plausibility.
Luke 7:31 And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the MEN of this generation?
and to what are they like?
Luke 7:32 They are like unto CHILDREN [boys] sitting in the marketplace,
and calling one to another, and saying,
We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced;
we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.As common sense would indicate, all of the SPEAK words are EXCLUSIVE in saying "the opposite of poetry or music.
The phythagorans similar to the Orphics in Rome: They had a large number of superstitious abstinences and dos and don'ts. They abstained from beans, did not break bread, did not eat from a whole loaf, and did not eat the heart (of their sacrifices). Example superstitions, such as not touching a white cock, not stepping over a crossbar, not stirring a fire with an iron, not plucking a garland etc. are too tedious to list here but can be seen in Burnet (ibid., p. 96).
There is no doubt this concept was entirely religious and selective. They also viewed music and astronomy as sister sciences. They used music to purge the soul and medicine to purge the body. Such methods of purifying the soul were familiar in the Orgia of the Korybantes and thus explains the Pythagorean interest in Harmonics (Burnet, pp. 97-98).
The speakers, singers and instrument players in Revelation 18 are called sorcerers: the word is pharmakea which speaks of using music as one uses medicine to drive the person into a voodoo like madnesss.
Of the Dionysius meat eaters and wine drinkers, remembering that the "god" to whom God abandoned the NOBILITY because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai was this same form of Dionysus or "wineskin" worship.
Instruments, especially flutes and drums, were used to induce ecstasy, or frenzy, in the worshippers of certain deities. The devotees of Thracian Dionysus (Bacchus) engaged in orgies at night. Members of the society were seized with a divine madness as they danced to the music and would seize an animal who was believed to be the incarnation of the god, tear the body limb from limb, and eat it on the spot. By this sacred communion they hoped to attain union with their god and themselves become Baccoi. There was a wave of Bacchic enthusiasm that swept Italy in 185 B.C. and created such a scandal that it was sternly repressed by the Roman senate." (Green, William M., The Church Fathers and Musical Instruments" unpublished paper, p. 32).
"Dionysus certainly roves more than the other gods; the traditional picture of him is not one of him sitting sedately on Olympus sipping nectar and listening to the Muses (9 females) sing.
Rather it is one of him roaming through the wilderness, thrysus, a shaken reed bound with ivy and topped with a pine cone [Phallus]) in hand,
followed by bands of ecstatic women, his Bacchants, and spreading the art of cultivation of vines and of wine-making. Other gods may leave Olympus, but it is not habitual with them as it is with dionysus.
"...this sect crowned the image of Jesus along with those of Pythagoras, Plato and Aristotle. Further, there were impostors of all varieties: magicians, soothsayers, jugglers, deceivers and hypocrites, 'who appeared using mighty words with a host of unintelligible formulae and taking up with scandalous ceremonies in order to rob men of their money." (Int. Std. Bible Ency., Gnosticism, p. 1246).
"Aristotle tells us that it is the task of the initiate to suffer and to let himself be brought to a certain frame of mind.
He is not to seek to acquire knowledge and increased understanding.
The significance of ecstasy in the mysteries strikingly characterized by this statement.The precise aim of orgies in the mysteries was to induce such a heightening of consciousness in a man that he would be receptive to the god who came to be united with him.
Such a person was then an enthusiast. Music was the most important element used to induce this condition. .. Aristotle explains that among the modes the Phrygian has the same power as the flute among instruments, for both are orgiastic and both heighten consciousness. This peculiar capability, which brought on religious ecstasy.. For that reason everything written in the Phrygian mode was. (Quasten, p 36-37)
"But perhaps nothing was more characteristic of the mystery religions than what they called ecstasy. Believers in the mystery religions sought to cultivate a magical, sensuous communion with the divine. They would do almost anything to get themselves into a semiconscious, hallucinatory, hypnotic, or orgiastic spell in which they believed they were sensually in contact with deity.
Some used wine to assist in the euphoric experience, as Paul implied in Ephesians 5:18. Whether from literal intoxication or emotional exhilaration, when worshipers fell into a state of euphoria, it was as if they had been drugged. They assumed they were in contact with God. (MacArthur, John, Charismatic Chaos, p. 164. Zondervan)
ROMANS 15 NARROWLY DEFINES WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE ALLOWED IN SYNAGOGUE.
In Romans 15 Paul will outlawed SELF-pleasure and the REPROACHES always the PREFERENCE of the Market-Driven sects. The STRONG are those who reject the polluted Market-Driven center:
Rom. 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak,The Weak sects would want to "join" to seek and impose their own pleasure.
and not to please ourselves.
SELF pleasure in the Greek outlaws the "creation of mental excitement." Both in the Greek and Latin this outlaws all of the performing arts:
Areskos A. pleasing, mostly in bad sense, obsequious, cringing,
II. areskos, ho, the staff borne by pornoboskoi [brothel keeper] on the stage, Poll.4.120.
Arist.EN1108a28 Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics book 2
[12] In respect of truth then,the middle character may be called truthful, and the observance of the mean Truthfulness1 ; pretence in the form of exaggeration is Boastfulness, and its possessor a boaster; in the form of understatement, Self-depreciation, and its possessor the self-depreciator.
[13] In respect of pleasantness and social amusement, the middle character is witty and the middle disposition Wittiness; the excess is Buffoonery and its possessor a buffoon; the deficient man may be called boorish, and his disposition Boorishness. In respect of general pleasantness in life, the man who is pleasant in the proper manner is friendly, and the observance of the mean is Friendliness; he that exceeds, if from no interested motive, is obsequious, if for his own advantage, a flatterer; he that is deficient, and unpleasant in all the affairs of life, may be called quarrelsome and surly.
Areskô I. of pers. only, make good, make amends, spondas theois aresasthai make full drink-offerings to the gods, please, satisfy, be Lord and Master.
IV. areskei is used impers. to express the opinion or resolution of a public body, also of prevailing opinions; ta areskonta the dogmas of philosophers
You have PRIVATE OPINION in the marketplace: you DO NOT have private opinions when you synagogue to READ and discusss THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN.
Airo (g142) ah'ee-ro; a prim. verb; to lift; by impl. to take up or away; fig. to raise (the voice), keep in suspense (the mind); spec. to sail away (i.e. weigh anchor); by Heb. [comp. 5375] to expiate sin: - away with, bear (up), carry, lift up, loose, make to doubt, put away, remove, take (away, up).
This had the same meaning of EXTERNAL SINGING:
Aoidê 1. art of song, autar aoidên thespesiên, spell, incantation, thing sung, song, whether of joy or sorrow,
Aeidô sing,.hence of all kinds of vocal sounds, crow as cocks, hoot as owls, croak as frogs,; hoi tettiges chamothen aisontai, crowing too soon.
The tettiges are the LOCUSTS which are the MUSES serving Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyo
IN LATIN the Keeping in Suspense EXCLUDES actors, singers, poets of musicians.
XV. debemus autem nos firmiores inbecillitates infirmorum sustinere et non nobis placere
Rom 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit
The Strong in the Ekklesia will please other for edification or education: the purpose of the church.Outlawed: Placeo to please, to be pleasing or agreeable, to be welcome, acceptable, to satisfy (class.).
1. In scenic lang., of players or pieces presented, to please, find favor, give satisfaction: scenico placentiRom. 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom. 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit,
if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.Outlawed: Scaenicus I. of or belonging to the stage, scenic, dramatic, ORGANA, theatrical
I. Lit.: poëtae, dramatic poets, ludi, stage-plays, theatrical representations, : fabula, a drama,
2. Placere sibi, to be pleased or satisfied with one's self, to flatter one's self, to pride or plume one's selfI. Lit.: poëtae, dramatic poets, ludi, stage-plays, theatrical representations, : fabula, a drama, organa, Suet. Ner. 44 : coronae, id. ib. 53 : habitus, id. ib. 38 : gestus, Cic. de Or. 3, 59, 220 : modulatio Comedy. Orator
Poi-êtês II. composer of a poem, author, p. kômôidias Pl.Lg.935e ; p. kainôn dramatôn, b. composer of music, 2. author of a speech
Outlawed: Organum Vitr. 10, 1.--Of musical instruments, a pipe,. Gen. 4, 21; id. 2 Par. 34, 12 et saep.--Of hydraulic engines, an organ, water-organ: organa hydraulica,
Gen 4:21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
H8610 manipulate, figuratively to use unwarrantably:--catch, handle, (lay, take) hold (on, over), stop, X surely, surprise, take.
H8608 taphaph to drum, that is, play (as) on the tambourine:taber, play with timbrels.H8611 tôpheth to'-feth From the base of H8608 ; a smiting, that is, (figuratively) contempt:--tabret. MEANING HELL
Outlawed: Modulatio. In partic., a rhythmical measure, modulation; hence, singing and playing, melody, in poetry and music, Quint. 9, 4, 139: modulatione produci aut corripi (verba), id. 9, 4, 89 : modulatio pedum, id. 1, 6, 2 : scenica, id. 11, 3, 57 : vocis, melody, id. 11, 3, 59 : musica, Aus. Ep. 25, 13 .
Clement of Alexandria: "After having paid reverence to the discourse about God, they leave within [at church] what they have heard. And outside they foolishly amuse themselves with impious playing, and amatory quavering (feminine vibrato), occupied with flute-playing, and dancing, and intoxication, and all kinds of trash.
H8608 taphaph to drum, that is, play (as) on the tambourine:taber, play with timbrels.
H8611 tôpheth to'-feth From the base of H8608 ; a smiting, that is, (figuratively) contempt:--tabret. MEANING HELL
Rom. 15:2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
[2] unusquisque vestrum proximo suo placeat in bonum ad aedificationem [3] etenim Christus non sibi placuit sed sicut scriptum est inproperia inproperantium tibi ceciderunt super me
LOQUOR I. inf. loquier, Naev. ap. Gell. 1, 24, 2), v. dep. n. and a. [Sanscr. lap-, to talk, whisper; Gr. lak-, elakon, laskô], to speak, talk, say (in the lang. of common life, in the tone of conversation; cf. Quint. 9, 4, 10; 11, 3, 45).
1. To speak out, to say, tell, talk about, mention, utter, name: A. To speak, declare, show, indicate or express clearly:
Aedificatio III. Fig., building up, instructing, edification.
(a). Absol.: loquitur ad aedificationem, Vulg. 1 Cor. 14, 3 ; 14, 26.--
(b). With gen.: ad aedificationem Ecclesiae [church], Vulg. 1 Cor. 14, 12 ; ib. Eph. 4, 12.
Eph. 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists;Rom. 15:3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph. 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph. 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
This was to PREVENT the performing arts always used to deceive the simple minded.
If Jesus had joined in with the Pipers by singing and dancing he would have pleased the PERVERTED CLERGY and the meaning is that they would strip Him naked and INITIATE him into the sexual pleasures of the Romans Dionysiacs. Do we REALLY have to be SHAMED for not "receiving them?"
Psa. 69:9 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me
2781. Cherpah, kher-paw´; from 2778; contumely, disgrace, the pudenda:—rebuke, reproach(-fully), shame.
2778. Charaph, khaw-raf´; a primitive root; to pull off, i.e. (by implication) to expose (as by stripping); specifically, to betroth (as if a surrender); figuratively, to carp at, i.e. defame; denominative (from 2779) to spend the winter:--betroth, blaspheme, defy, jeopard, rail, reproach, upbraid.
Remember that you are victims of the Vineyard Mother and the New Wineskins MARK. The Vineyard lady who gave you the new style praise singing shows you how to musically induce a SEXUAL-LIKE CLIMAX.
"Dionysus is the wine-god, and thus should be a pleasant fellow, a benefactor. But wine has both positive and negative aspects. It makes people drunk, causes them to behave in strange ways. The Greeks were well aware of the dual natures of wine, mirrored by the dual nature of its god.... He betrays a dual nature: being bright, joyous, and vital for life,
while also having a side that is dark, mysterious and deadly.
"The adored wife of the fallen Hector, is taken as a concubine by the authentes, who can command her domestic and sexual services. The word also occurs in a homosexual sense in a speech by Theseus, king of Athens, where love of young boys was considered a virtue rather than a vice." (Charles Trombly, Who Said Women Can't Teach, p. 174)
ALL OF THE PSALLO REFERENCES USED BY TOM BURGESS AND OTHERS TO JUSTIFY VIOLATING THE DIRECT COMMANDS SPEAK OF MATURE MALES PLUCKING THE HARP TO SEDUCE A YOUNG MALE--A YOUTH MINISTER OF THE GODS.
1. Tom Burgess in Documents on Instrumental Music reviewed. Psallo and Instrumental Music: Proofs do not prove anything but the "music-homosexuality" connection.
See more on Strabo's definition of the worship of Apollo or Abaddon or Apollyon: his MUSES are the locusts or musical performers in the book of revelation.
2. Tom Burgess More Review of Plutarch: if Psallo authorizes "church music" it authorizes a homosexual gathering.
3. Tom Burgess on Moralia confirms the "Music-Heresy-Perversion" connection which has no historical exception. 10/20/04
4. Tom Burgess on John Chrysostom: are the anti-instrumentalists ignorant rurals? 10/21/04 What about Paul and Martin Luther and John Calvin and Zwingli and--everyone who believed the Bible as authority.
5. Tom Burgess on Kurfees versus Thayer and Grimm: Quotes from: G. C. Brewer, A Medley on the Music Question, Gospel Advocate, Nashville 1948. Burgess uses the same Krewson arguments. LATEST 11/06/05
Paul did not permit women to participate in religious rituals because this AUTHENTIA authority would be a certain sign that something wild was going on.
"dionysus's worship is thus established by the simple means of killing the opposition. It has been suggested that every tragic hero who suffers and dies on stage at the Dionysia, the great dramatic festival at Athens, is in fact dionysus himself, being killed."
In every Greek city the god Dionysus (New wineskin god) was worshipped by fraternities and sororities and also by mixed communities. Dionysus was a god of fruitfulness and vegetation but especially of wine. The Dionysiac festivals provided an opportunity for stepping outside of the daily routine. The festivals included not only drinking wine and engaging in sexual activity but also participating in such significant features of Greek civilization as choral singing and mimes. In many cases, only the initiated could participate in the ceremonies. As almost every Greek did join in, initiation into the Dionysiac cult might be compared to tribal initiations. It seems that initiation into the Dionysiac Mysteries was accompanied by initiation into sexual life. Britannica Members
FURTHER DEFINITION OF THE WEAK PAUL CALLED DOGS OR WOLVES OR THE CONCISION OUTLAWED FROM SPIRITUAL WORSHIP.
WEAK: Delicate is Malakos path-êtikos d. = pathêtikos e. of music, soft, effeminate, harmoniai, of reasoning, weak, loose, logos Isoc.12.4, sullogizesthai to reason loosely,
Mousikos II. of persons, skilled in music, musical, III. of things, elegant, delicate; professional musicians, mousikos kai melôn poêtês, hêdion ouden, harmonious [in tune], fitting, trophêMusic means PathêtikosWEAK: Delicate or Malakos in Isocrates, Speeches 12 makes the same association with
1Cor. 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
1Cor. 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Cor. 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Arnobius defining heresies:
41. Was it for this He sent souls, that they which shortly before had been gentle
and ignorant of what it is to be moved by fierce passions,
should build for themselves markets and amphi-theatres, places of blood and open wickedness, in the one of which they should see men devoured and torn in pieces by wild beasts, and themselves slay others for no demerit but to please and gratify the spectators, [voluptatemque] and should spend those very days on which such wicked deeds were done in general enjoyment,and keep holiday with festive gaiety; while in the other, again, they should tear asunder the flesh of wretched animals, some snatch one part, others another, as dogs and vultures do, should grind them with their teeth, and give to their utterly insatiable maw, and that, surrounded by faces so fierce and savage, those should bewail their lot whom the straits of poverty withheld from such repasts; that their life should be happy and prosperous while such barbarous doings defiled their mouths and face?
Was it for this He sent souls, that, forgetting their importance and dignity as divine, they should acquire gems, precious stones, pearls, at the expense of their purity; should entwine their necks with these, pierce the tips of their ears, bind their foreheads with fillets, seek for cosmetics to deck their bodies, darken their eyes with henna ; nor, though in the forms of men, blush to curl their hair with crisping-pins, to make the skin of the body smooth, to walk with bare knees, and with every other kind of wantonness,
Music means Hêdonê desires after pleasure, pleasant lusts, Ep.Tit.3.3, al. dêmêgorein [A demagogue uses the performing arts to appease the masses for profit]both to lay aside the strength of their manhood,
and to grow in effeminacy to a woman's habits and luxury?For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. Tit 3:3
This is the SELF-pleasure Paul outlawed for the assembly:
Aresko (g700) ar-es'-ko; prob. from 142 (through the idea of exciting emotion); to be agreeable (or by impl. to seek to be so): - please. the STAFF borne by pornoboskoi [brothel keeper] on the stage
Exairô -lift up, lift off the earth 2. raise in dignity, exalt, magnify, exaggerate it. Rhetoric, treat in elevated style, of music
3. arouse, stir up excites thy wish to die, pervert, make away with, get rid of, to be excited, agitated. Includes: Choreia [choreuô] a dance, esp. the choral or round dance with its music.Music MARKS the effeminate
"Now, many a man from the false religions, which are not ashamed of criticising what is noble, will ask: how can there be a feast without carousing and overeating, without the pleasant company of hosts and guests, without quantities of unmixed wine, without richly set tables and highly stacked provisions of everything that pertains to a banquet, without pageantry and jokes,
bantering and merry-making to the accompaniment of flutes and citharas, the sound of drums and cymbals and other effeminate and frivolous music of every king,
enkindling unbridled lusts with the help of the sense of hearing. For in and through the same [pleasures] those persons openly seek their joy, for what true joy is their they do not know.
rhetoricians: [3] Now, however, I have completely given up these devices of rhetoric. For I do not think it is becoming to the ninety-four years which I have lived
How you, men of Athens, have been affected by my accusers, I do not know; but I, for my part, almost forgot my own identity, so persuasively did they talk; and yet there is hardly a word of truth in what they have said. But I was most amazed by one of the many lies that they told--when they said that you must be on your guard not to be deceived by me.ARE THOSE WHO DO NOT USE MACHINES BEYOND TOLERATION?WEAK: Aristotle on Politics (1339a)
FOR MORE DETAILS SEE REVIEW OF RONNIE NORMAN TURNING ROMANS 14 UPSIDE DOWN.1. for amusement and relaxation, as one indulges in sleep and deep drinking (for these in themselves are not serious pursuits but merely pleasant, and 'relax our care,' as Euripides says;
[1339b] "And we may consider the conception that we have about the gods:owing to which people actually class music with them and (sleep and deep drinking) employ all of these things,
..........sleep, deep drinking and music, in the same way,
......... and they also place dancing in the same class); (Aristotle isn't kind)
Zeus does not sing and harp to the poets himself.
But professional musicians we speak of as vulgar people, and indeed
we think it not manly to perform music, except when drunk or for fun.Britannica: "Music, like the word, also may have symbolic meaning. The basic elements out of which musical symbolism is built are sounds, tones, melodies, harmonies,
and the various musical instruments,
........among which is the human voice.Sound effects can have a numinous (spiritual) character and
may be used to bring about contact with the realm of the holy.A specific tone may call one to an awareness of the holy, make the holy present, and produce an experience of the holy. This may be done by means of drums, gongs, bells, or other instruments.
The ritual instruments can, through their shape or the materials from which they are made, have symbolic meaning. The Uitoto in Colombia, for example, believe that all the souls of their ancestors are contained in the ritual drums. (See liturgical music.)
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