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Matt.Dabbs.A.Discipleship.Movement May need to break some eggs.

Rubel Shelly introduced the New Wineskin and not Matt Dabbs appealls to Aslan and witchcraft to TRUMP Jesus' plan for making Disciples.

See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth,
        much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: Heb 12:25

Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Y
        et once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. Heb 12:26

And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken,
        as of things that are MADE, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Heb 12:27

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved,
        let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: Heb 12:28

For our God is a consuming fire Heb 12:29.

Re-visioning church or Re-imaging church, Woodmont Hills: Rubel Shelly, Lynn Anderson: Our mindset threatens to strip our faith of symbols, rituals, dramas, mystery, poetry, and story. This is a collection of similar historical events which believes that it has the latter day right to reimage the church to fit our changed culture. The point is that the Church of Christ is a school of the Bible and its resource is the word of God. If we continue to teach the Words of God in Christ we will inculcate those values and silence the false practices.

See Lipscomb University living waters and "Spiritual Formation" claims.
The Holy Spirit is the Mind of Jesus Christ
See John York and Rubel Shelly being born FROM ABOVE.

A Gathered People: Revisioning the Assembly as Transforming Encounter by John Mark Hicks of Lipscomb University, Johnny Melton and Bobby Valentine. These people really lust to drag you back under the sacrificial system which was the worship of the starry host to which God abandoned them because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. LU is in big trouble. THE BOOK for your review.

Trinity as “Necessary” Fact in Alexander Campbell’s “Christian System of Facts" John Mark Hicks From Lipscomb University accuses Alexander Campbell of defending Trinitarianism as the only option for opposing Barton W. Stone's view of the nature of Jesus of Nazareth.

C. Leonard Allen Trinitarian Theology and Spiritual Life
Come to the Table John Mark hicks from Lipscomb University notes that: Several features characterize the fellowship meals of Israel. First, it is a moment of communion between God and his people.
        God eats with his people as the fat is burned to him.
       God is present at this meal. It is eaten before the Lord as if God sits at the table with the worshipper.
        And with jubilating praise.

NOTE: all underlined blue text can be clicked to open another paper without shutting this one down.

See How Lynn Anderson has deliberately twisted a few churches into adding "instrumental music" knowing that it would deliberately sow discord and drive the owners out. I have reviewed his rational for IMPOSING DISCOMFORT in order to IMPOSE musical instruments: at Oak Hills this has turned the "soft strings" into a full blown Rock and Roll spectacle with women exercising leadership.

See how this is being worked out at Lipscomb University.
Here are some of the people still violently attacking people for NOT bowing when the musicians pipe. The ALL pervert the Word: where they claim to make PSALLO include an instrument the evidence shows that they are NEVER factual. The ancient scholars they use as PROOF universally associate MUSIC as worhip with sexuality and homosexuality: there is no exception.

Isaiah 25, Isa 25: Isaiah Chapter 25: The branch of the terrible one is a song to be accompanied with instrumental music.

Dwaine E. Dunning: The non-instrumental BRANCH must be cut OFF. God always hides a MARK.

Al Maxey is a minor player in the STONEITE effort to claim that REJECTING music is "aberrant" which is a synonym for: Insanity; lunacy; madness; derangement; alienation; mania; dementia; hallucination; illusion; delusion. See {Insanity}.

A. Ralph Johnson in Instrumental Music, Sacred or Sinful.

1. Tom Burgess in Documents on Instrumental Music reviewed. Psallo and Instrumental Music: Proofs do not prove anything but the "music-homosexuality" connection. See more on Strabo's definition of the worship of Apollo or Abaddon or Apollyon: his MUSES are the locusts or musical performers in the book of revelation.

2. Tom Burgess More Review of Plutarch: if Psallo authorizes "church music" it authorizes a homosexual gathering.

3. Tom Burgess on Moralia confirms the "Music-Heresy-Perversion" connection which has no historical exception. 10/20/04

4. Tom Burgess on John Chrysostom: are the anti-instrumentalists ignorant rurals? 10/21/04 What about Paul and Martin Luther and John Calvin and Zwingli and--everyone who believed the Bible as authority.

5. M. C. Kurfees and G. C. Brewer on Psallo and Instrumental Music in worship. Thayer and Grimm reviewed by Tom Burgess.

Charles Daily Northwest College of the Bible Part One ..... Part One A .....Part Two ..... THRESKIA or CHARISMATIC

Karen Armstrong: Mystics have used music, dancing, poetry, fiction, stories, painting, sculpture and arc hitecture to express this Reality which goes beyond concepts." (P. 396)

See Music and Drama for more reasons for the rise of the FEMINIST Re-Imaging or Re-Visioning movement in an attempt to silence the MASCULINE in the modern charismatic church.

Revisioning comes after discording people to make them unhappy with all who went before ME:

"To be effective, a leader must also deliberately develop dissatisfaction.

"Preparing people for change sometimes takes what seems like forever.... I shared startling or even embarrassing statistics about where we were as a church body and where we needed to be, seeking to create the right level of dissatisfaction....

Rubel Shelly refers to Machiavelli (like referring to Hitler) to explain why people resist change:

The Machiavelli FAX of Life Resisting Change (From: Faith Matters)

I have added links to Machiavelli's Prince to assist you in understand the "Volkish" revival and the universal methods of change:

Machiavelli Prince Ch3-Ch6-Ch7

For comparison we will not some of Hitler's message about how to organize the "human" material (emotional) to be used by the elite (the rational) with music being important:

Hitler: Völkish State: Supporters (emotional) and Leaders (Intellectual)

Mein Kampf Vol 2, Ch5, Ch8, Ch11

See Lynn Anderson, Fred Peatross and the Re-Imaging parallels to Witchcraft.

See how Jubilee with "Scholarly" support has RE-IMAGED Madison Church of Christ. You might blush.

See the meaning of NarrativeTheology in Re-Imaging the Bible any way which fits YOUR story. This is the meaning of the CORE gospel which is about ANOTHER JESUS.

See Rubel Shelly and the Exodus Narrative

What all of this means is that your church is following the direct action of Jesus in firing the "doctors of the law" because they "take away the key to knowledge." Not only do they make a place on the backs of wage earners in violation of the tithing principle but they then BIND heavy burdens on YOUR back because they do not have a role as gainful occupation and prove it by just making up new TRADITIONS like the Pharisees.

Neither Jesus nor Paul provided a 'place' for anyone other than the evangelist.

Re-Imaging and Re-imaging are used interchangeably in the denominational world. However, RE-VISIONING or RE-IMAGING of the church and its worship is almost totally the work product of feminist theologians heavily influenced by the lesbian community.

As the Pope called for the Jubilee to redeem us all to get us back under Mother Church, the Walk to Emmaus was the protestant wing to get us to re-image or revision the "holy communion" as an evangelistic tool, now re-imaging or re-visioning is an attempt to get us all back under the MOTHER OF GOD as Ishtar, Inanna, Sophia-Zoe or Mary as Women's Power.

POST SCRIPT:

Yes, Woodmont got NEW GLASSES and ReVisoned the Lord's supper. Now they have held their pagan Agape in connection with their "eucharist." However, some "church lady scholar" read about the love feast held along with the Lord's Supper and said: "Now isn't that precious?" Let's do that: might sow some more discord and prove that we are BIG UNS and we can do what we gonna do "spite of hell."

While the similarity of the Lord's Supper as a memorial for the DEATH of Christ, the pagan Agape was mixed up at a few places but was condemned: how can you feed your face and remember the suffering of Christ? Paul warned about feasts with the departed or demons.

Clement of Alexandria in Pedagogue II has some harsh words for the Agape and Instrumental music.

See the Funerary connection between the Agape and daily pagan meals which ideally was for the poor only. From the Catholic Encyclopedia.

"The agape feast was from the first a survival, under Christian and Jewish forms, of the old sacrificial systems of a pre-Christian age. Sheep, rams, bullocks, fowls are given sacrificial salt to lick, and then sacrificed by the priest and deacon, who has the levitical portions of the victim as his perquisite."

Following Goddesses Ecumenical Style

In November 1993 a "Re-Imagining" conference for women was held in Minneapolis. Those who attended this conference sang songs to Sophia [mythological black virgin & goddess of wisdom], & declared that Sophia was the Creator God.

Sophia's daughter, ZOE is called THE BEAST and the female instructring principle. She forces the little Jehovahs to form musical worship teams to worship SOPHIA AND ZOE.

They also declared they were created in "her" image and were taught exercises in "pranic healing". [Prana is the yoga name for breathing exercises, which according to occult teachings, opens up the power of the "serpent force" in visualization techniques.]

Also declared was that atonement [The blood of Jesus] was not needed, but that we become better from "the god within". Other ancient pagan doctrines were taught. For instance, one feminist at the conference taught that if you need energy, you can get it from the sun or ask a tree to give you some it's "life energy".

This is the meaning of the salvation by faith only BEFORE identifying with the blood of Jesus Christ. Seee Rubel Shelly Baptizing Santa and the S.U.N. god

For those who have studied the occult, you will recognize that these are the beliefs the the largely feminist group of witches known as WICCA. They also have a female creator they refer to as "The Great Mother", "The Devine Mother", and "The Queen Of Heaven". Their ancient pagan doctrine also denies the need for atonement, believes that there is power in plants & celestial bodies, and the god within.
However, this conference was not a gathering of witches. It was a conference associated with the World Council Of Churches! The conference was attended by over 1500 people from Presbyterian, United Methodist, Lutheran, Roman Catholic, United Church of Christ, and other "mainline" denomination churches. They, like the doctrines of ancient witchcraft, believe they were created in the image of the goddess and participated in like worship of the "Sophic" queen of heaven.
There was another conference in 1998. Fortunately the attendance dropped to about 900.

"Do not trust in deceptive words, saying, 'This is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord...' will you... offer sacrifices to Baal and walk after other gods that you have not known, then come and stand before Me in this house, which is called by My name, and say, 'We are delivered', that you may do all these abominations?" Jeremiah 7:4,9,10

Yep, as post modern as the towers of babylon and the restoration of Judaism along with the "musical Levites" to lade us with the burden of "spiritual anxiety created by religious ritual." End times for sure! The same writers identifies one of the MARKS:

Multimedia Entertainment Churches

In Greek and Roman mythology there are nine secondary goddess called Muses.
........... They were the daughters of Zeus.
........... These were the goddesses [in part] of the arts, drama, music, and the power behind them.

The Muses were: Clio (history), Calliope (epic poetry), Erato (love poetry), Euterpe (lyric poetry), Melpomene (tragedy), Polyhymnia (song, rhetoric, and geometry), Thalia (comedy), Terpsichore (dancing), and Urania (astronomy and astrology).
........... In fact the word "music" is derived from Muse, and means "art of the Muses".
........... A more definitive way of putting it would be "art of the goddesses".

It is interesting to see that the "art of the goddesses" is also being used today in a psychological manner; even in the church. This is seen especially in The Church Growth Movement. For instance, CGM forerunner Bill Hybels of Willow Creek Community Church [a church into using drama and music to reach people] says,

"A person's resistance to persuasion is very high when spoken to...
but very low when exposed to drama and music.
We communicate truth through the back door. People don't even know it's happening." Daily Herald, May 18, 1988.

We can explain this by saying that the arts of the Muses have a power to lower resistance in order to persuade a person's thinking, and subtly at that [which is disturbing]. We can see the concepts of this same myth used by marketing psychology in radio and TV commercials. Commercials use music and drama to affect our minds in this manner. The power to transform.

The MUSES were servants of Apollo or Abaddon or Apollyon in the book of Revelation. In legend (which had a real life component) the Muses were turned into GRASSHOPPERS or LOCUSTS known as "musical performers." They are DUG UP AGAIN but will again be driven back as they serve the Babylon Whore of Revelatioon 18.

As the Pope called for the Jubilee to redeem us all to get us back under Mother Church, the Walk to Emmaus was the protestant wing to get us to re-image or revision the "holy communion" as an evangelistic tool, now re-imaging or re-visioning is an attempt to get us all back under the MOTHER OF GOD as Ishtar, Inanna, Sophia-Zoe or Mary as Women's Power.

-RE-IMAGINING BLASPHEMY: The Re-Imagining Movement, which broke on the American church scene with a notorious 1993 conference lauding pagan goddesses and offering a substitute milk and honey "eucharist" while worshipping Sophia, is back at it again.

See the Agapae and ADDING menstrual fluids as a woman's TRICK.

Funded by mainstream denominations (which give a new twist to the old Leninist maxim that capitalists would sell the rope used to hang them), 1,000 Re-Imagineers met again in late April in St. Paul, Minnesota.

Opening ceremonies took place in a darkened room with lampstands of flame, beating drums, and dancing women. Mary Farrell Bednarowski, one of the keynote speakers, announced one of the themes of the meeting: "To ask about someone's story is theology." Later she told the crowd, "I don't think anyone here thinks she is God or Goddess, not with a capital 'G' anyway." Rita Nakashima Brock, another speaker,

congratulated Re-Imagineers on opposing rape, violence, Western imperialism, multi-national corporations, structural adjustment and welfare "deform." (Theme of the Catholic Jubilee)

The attempt to shock through extravagant sacrilege was present throughout the proceedings, especially in statements like one by Carter Heyward: "Listening week after week to the liturgy of the Book of Common Prayer is likely to be more damaging to women and girls than a sexy come-on by a sleazy priest."

The final ceremony of the weekend was the ritual biting of the apple to symbolize a woman's solidarity with Eve in her rebellion against male authority and phallocentric knowledge. Yawn.

Faye Short, in the United Methodist Good News magazine, says that the Conference speakers praised every imaginable religion or spirituality except orthodox Christianity, and recognized the power of every deity except Jesus Christ.

It is our belief that most Church of the Brethren members would respond with shame and dismay if they had an opportunity to hear the tapes of the speeches, seminars, and celebrations which took place in Minneapolis.

A closing communion service was replaced with a service of milk and honey, and prayers and songs addressed to “Our Maker, Sophia.”

A leader sang,’Our mother Sophia, we are women in your image; with the milk of our breasts we suckle the children…”

The audience sang in refrain, “Sophia Creator God, Let your milk and honey flow. Sophia, Creator God, shower us with your love.” The leader continued,’Our sweet Sophia, we are women in your image; with nectar between our thighs we invite a lover, we birth a child; with our warm body fluids we remind the world of its pleasures and sensations.”

The crowd responded, “Sophia Creator God, Let your milk and honey flow…”

Hymen Almost every part of the female genitals eventually became personified as a Goddess, as did the fluids associated with them. The hymen was no exception, ruled by an eponymous Goddess later considered an emanation of Aphrodite. She carried a torch in one hand, a flute in the other, and wore a crown of flowers, symbol of sexual self-knowledge and maturity. Hymen is the Greek word for veil, the same one that 'no man draws asunder' among the Amazon Goddesses Athena, Medusa, and Neith.
The power and sanctity of menstrual blood 'Moon honey' was enshrined even in Olympian myths, for all oaths were sworn by the Goddess Styx, ruler and personification of the stream of Gaea's menstrual blood. Ambrosia and nectar were originally a mixture of honey and menstrual fluid provided by Aphrodite and/or Hera. Long after Hymen was masculinized in a piece of profoundly ridiculous revision, the Goddess was invoked by calling 'O Hymen, Hymenie!' exclusively by women.

At the temple of Aphrodite at Eryx, priestesses were called “melissae”, which means “bees,” and Aphrodite herself was called Melissa, the queen bee. At the Ephesian temple of Artemis, the melissae were accompanied by transgendered priests called “essenes”, meaning drones. Bees are classified as members of the hymenopteran order, meaning “veil-winged,” recalling the hymen or veil that covered the inner shrine of the Goddess’s temple, and the high priestess who bore the title of Hymen, presiding over marriage rituals and the Honey Moon.

Bees are Hymenoptera, "veil-winged," recalling the hymen or veil that covered the inner shrine of the Goddess's temple, and the officiating nymph (high priestess) who bore the title of Hymen and ruled over marriage rituals and the honey-moon.

Plato Ion 534a continues to speak of the female musical worship team - the Muses:
"and attract other rings; so that sometimes there is formed quite a long chain of bits of iron and rings, suspended one from another; and they all depend for this power on that one stone.

In the same manner also the Muse inspires men herself, and then by means of these inspired persons the inspiration spreads to others, and holds them in a connected chain. For all the good epic poets utter all those fine poems not from art, but as inspired and possessed, and the good lyric poets likewise; [534a] just as

........... the Corybantian worshippers do not dance when in their senses,
........... so the lyric poets do not indite those fine songs in their senses,

but when they have started on the melody and rhythm they begin to be frantic, and it is under possession--as the bacchants are possessed, and not in their senses, when they draw HONEY and milk from the rivers--that the soul of the lyric poets does the same thing, by their own report.

For the poets tell us, I believe, that the songs they bring us are the sweets they cull from HONEY-dropping founts [534b] in certain gardens and glades of the Muses-- like the BEES, and winging the air as these do.1 And what they tell is true. (Plato then explains a lot of musical worship and even preaching)

"For a poet is a light and winged and sacred thing, and is unable ever to indite until he has been inspired and put out of his senses, and his mind is no longer in him: every man, whilst he retains possession of that, is powerless to indite a verse or chant an oracle. Seeing then that it is not by art that they compose and utter so many fine things about the deeds of men--
Demosthenes Against Midias describes what the clergy tried to excite Jesus to do:

"[21.52] Please take and read the actual oracles. Oracles You I address, Pandion's townsmen and sons of Erechtheus,

who appoint your feasts by the ancient rites of your fathers.
See you forget not Bacchus, and joining all in the dances Down your broad-spaced streets, in thanks for the gifts of the season, Crown each head with a wreath, while incense reeks on the altars. For health sacrifice and pray to Zeus Most High, to Heracles, and to Apollo the Protector; for good fortune to Apollo, god of the streets, to Leto, and to Artemis; and along the streets set wine-bowls and dances, and wear garlands after the manner of your fathers in honor of all gods and all goddesses of Olympus, raising right hands and left in supplication."

You don't have to be utterly female to get caught in the urge to rebel against male authority.

As Re-Imaging originated with Catholics and spilled over into Sophia-Zoe worship and the restoration of the pagan AGAPE which reveals female sexuality and power, it comes as no surprize that re-visioning looks mor ecatholic than Biblical. Therefore:
"As the Mother of the Logos, Mary took on attributes of the Judaic biblical figure of Sophia, or Wisdom--described in Proverbs and Ecclesiasticus as God's eternal creation, a celestial feminine being who personified divine wisdom and mediating humanity's knowledge of God.
In Roman Catholic theology, Mary was explicitly identified as Sophia. The relationship of the Old Testament Sophia to the New Testament Logos, both of which represented the divine creative and revelatory wisdom, was thus obliquely reflected in the relationship of Mary to Christ. The figure of the Virgin Mother also absorbed some of the original meaning and function of the Holy Spirit--as principle of divine presence in the Church, as comforter, as mediator of wisdom and spiritual birth, and as instrument of Christ's entrance into the world.

"Catholicism signified the disguised return to the religion of the Great Mother who had been defeated by Yahweh." (Tarnas, Richard, The Passion of the Western Mind, p. 480).

Eve or Sophia or Zoe were the mediatrix, the Mother of the gods who forced the minor "jehovahs" into organizing musical bands to praise the FEMININE GODDESSES.

The result in the garden of Eden was that Eve usurped authority and became the "female instructing principle." She has down through the ages been seen as Sophia or ZOE, and turning the males into effeminate, mindless musical worship teams has been her way to get worship for his/her self. She is Lucifer in the garden of Eden: she was a harp-playing "feminine" prostitute who, as king/queen of Tyre wanted to be remembered as "a male."

Paul understood that this pagan worship among the new Christians would be the result of authentia or sexual authority. This sexual authority is exercised every time women do not remain silent which includes being sedentary.

As women have the urge to "rearrange furniture" at the drop of a hat, she and her spiritual consorts have the overwhelming lust to rearrange the church. Christ established the church as Christian Synagogue. Synagogue is not a pagan worship center but a school of the Bible and a place to look out for the members. Therefore, the "lets change the deck chairs on the Titanic" is an eternal but especially an end-time sign of the Babylon Harlot blend of "pseudo worship, music and commerce." At its CORE it is a VISION or SYMBOL of men having not a single vestage of confidence in the Living or written Word.

Navigating the Winds of Change include:

> Looking at our values, attitudes and ways of DOING church.

> Create division with the old ways: Rubel Shelly's Aztec pattern of burning down the old periodically even if the 20,000 have to be sacrificed among the Aztecs. Schizophrenia is a positive aspect of Post Modernism.

That has happened with the burning down of Madison facilitated by change agents, new apostles and educators (?).

> Next, present a newly-inspired VISION or IMAGE of better things: Shelly/Harris use the Aztecs wo burned down the old houses which were then rebuilt and the fires RE-LIT at the Aztec Jubilee to prop up the social order and the gods for another 52 weeks or 52 years.

Peep-Stone Joe Smith had his own NEW GLASSES so now the preacher-professor combine has discovered a new pair of GLASSES to allow you to see what you just thought you saw pre-Shelly, York, Hicks, Anderson, Finto, Lucado.

Therefore, having facilitated the Shelly Sifter (as new as Babylon) and "grounding" the core gospel of seven sole remnants of the now-but-not-yet Bible, it is necessary to form fit a NEW SOCIAL (Socialist, community, controlling) Gospel to fit the NEW VISION through NEW GLASSES.

> If you become a part of the new VISION you will have to be re-trained as a "complimentarian" before you can advance through the Circles of Power to get to the inner Core. Of course, you will have to sign covenants in most "incarnations."

First, because Re-Imaging is an attempt to emasculate the male leadership in many groups, we should listen to Karen Amrmstrong:

Karen Armstrong, in A History of God, shows how the pagan clergy attempted to neutralize the One God Who was spoken of as male:

"God lay beyond 'gender' but, as in the Enuma Elish, each pair of emanations consisted of a male and female--a scheme which attempted to neutralize the masculine tenor of more conventional monotheism. Each pair of emanations grew weaker and more attenuated, since they were getting even further from their divine Source." (p. 95)

Speaking of the mystics, Armstrong showed how the new, gender-neutral gods are to be worshipped:

"This God is to be approached through the imagination and can be seen as a kind of art form, akin to the other great artistic symbols that have expressed the ineffable mystery, beauty and the value of life.

Mystics have used music, dancing, poetry, fiction, stories, painting, sculpture and architecture to express this Reality which goes beyond concepts." (P. 396)

Lynn Anderson: The mind-set of the times threatens to strip our faith of symbols, rituals, dramas, mystery, poetry, and story,

which say about life and God what logic and reason and rationalism can never say. See Volkism

However, Altered Consciousness:

A key component of the Gnostic experience is the alteration of consciousness. Because the Gnostic is subjectively driven,

the perception of God becomes something that hinges on feelings rather than faith.

In order to improve upon the feelings, the use of additional mechanisms to create moods,

........... especially the use of music, is frequently brought in. (van der Merwe, p. 90-91, Strange Fire)

Active Imagination:

... it is arguable that Jung set out to design a cult of redemption or renewal in the period beginning as early as 1912. This was a mystery cult that promised the initiate revitalization through contact with pagan, pre-Christian layer of the unconscious mind. By doing so, one would have a direct experience of God, which was experienced as an inner sun or star that was the fiery core of one's being. (Noll, p. 141)

Rubel Shelly: Christians have been seeking to turn every symbol (mark IDOL) to the glory of God. Thus a midwinter festival to the s-u-n was converted into a day of rejoicing over the S-o-n of God. If Jesus is described by biblical writers as the "Sun of Righteousness" and God's "true light coming into the world," what could be more natural? From Baptizing Santa

Jung borrowed the technique of active imagination, which he utilized in his deification experience, directly from the spiritualists. Noll states that Jung resorted to "VISIONARY practices already quite familiar to him from his involvement with spiritualism and from his knowledge of the claims of Blavatsky and the other initiated Theosophists that the ancestral past could be contacted directly through the imagination. Jung, however, reframes the practice to make it seem less occultist and more scientific..." (The Jung Cult: Origins of a Charismatic Movement by Richard Noll (Princeton University Press, 1994, p. 178)

The Gnostic belief that one can attain godhood can also be found in the Latter Rain belief that the church will become the literal incarnation of Jesus Christ on earth.

Guided Imagery:

David Hunt, in his two books, The Seduction of Christianity (1985) and Beyond Seduction (1987), first chronicled the influence of Carl Jung's ideas in the modern church. He wrote of Agnes Sanford whose visualization techniques are founded in
........... shamanistic practices of the occult and
........... who expressed pantheistic beliefs similar to those held by Carl Jung.

The Vineyard Christian Fellowships, headed by John Wimber, are heavily involved in the use of imagination, visualization, and inner healing. There has been criticism that to a large extent allowing God to "guide the imagination" has been placed on a level equal to the authority of the Bible, which has created a great deal of confusion. David Hunt, (p. 174 Seduction of Christianity

Holy Laughter Movement contemporary with Jubilee:

Promise Keepers founder Bill McCartney's pastor, James Ryle, who is on the Board of PK, is a highly controversial figure [see sidebar, p. 20]. His participation in the "Laughing Revival" was written up in a Washington Post article (11/18/95) about the Laughing Movement at the Pasadena Vineyard Christian Fellowship:

At the Pasadena church, James Ryle, chaplain of the University of Colorado football team, is telling the congregation how Jesus freed him from his own demons -- growing up in an orphanage

and serving jail time for selling drugs. He tells many jokes about his missing middle finger, lost to a lawn mower. There are waves of tear-wiping laughter.

Ryle makes sound effects, including some animal noises. He snaps his fingers, bangs the podium, paces and tells how God will appear here in suits of fire, oil, water. "You will feel! And the glory of the Lord will put you down!" ("A Rush of Ecstasy and Alarm," Carol McGraw)

Ryle concludes his book by inviting the reader to ask the Lord for a vision of Jesus: "God has given each one of us what I call vision hunger -- an appetite for revelation from God, an inner need for visual soul stimulation." (p. 228) Ryle "envisions" a last days "army of seers", a group of people who "will receive profound insight into the Scriptures in dreams and visions." (p. 229) Is Ryle referring to Promise Keepers?

Next, look at the flood of information on the internet about the Sophia or ZOE form of replacing the WORD (written and Incarnate) with the Greek LOGOS and symbolism.

After all, the Greek LOGOS which informs Dr. Shelly was Hermes or Mercury who was the father of musical worship (I.e. Jubal, Jubilee, etc.), of liars and of thieves. He is also Apollo (Abaddon, Apollyon whose Seeker Center at Delphi influenced the women in Corinth.)

"First, United Methodist seminaries are no longer strictly adhering to the basic doctrines of the Christian faith and are tolerating if not promoting some non-Christian theologies. Radical feminist theology is one of the more visible of those.

Nashville Connection: See the connection between radical feminist theology, liberation theology (the Jubilee) and narrative theology which denies that the Bible has survived the "Shelly Sifter." Therefore, we are left with only a "core gospel" of seven facts ABOUT Jesus as the foundation. However, we can "take liberties" and compose our own narrative theology. We can even take the terminal sin of S.U.N. worship in musical idolatry at Mount Sinai and turn it into a "pattern for Christian worship and community."

Baptizing Santa Clause
Shamash The Sun God Making the S.O.N. God IMAGE into the S.U.N. God.
See Rubel Shelly and John York: The Exodus IMAGE For Worship and Community?

"The basic tenets of radical feminist theology include rejection of the Bible as an authoritative document because of its "patriarchialism", identification of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ as "divine child abuse" that has no relevance for modern women, and promotion of worship of pagan female deities. The report may seem to include a disproportionate number of references to women, but it is because of the pervasive influence that radical feminist theology has had on United Methodism.

See the Core Gospel of the Preacher-Educators.

"The hold that feminist theology has on UM seminaries cannot be underestimated. For example, one of the foremost proponents of feminist theology, Rosemary Radford Ruether, is a tenured professor at Garrett Evangelical Theological Seminary and Aida Isasi-Diaz, another well-known feminist/liberationist theologian, is on the staff at Drew University Seminary.

"The Re-Imagining Conference of 1993 (which was characterized by worship of the goddess Sophia and denial of the person and work of Jesus Christ) was not an isolated event. It has been repeated three more times since then and the keynote speakers are always Protestant and Catholic seminary professors or clergy.

She Shelly Core Gospel holds only 7 facts ABOUT Jesus which can be used for testing faith and doctrine.

John Mark Hicks identifies the modern inventors of the "trinity of persons" as promoted by Max Lucado and Rubel Shelly. He notes that the "incarnational" views short change the humanity of Christ. This seems to deny that Christ came fully in the flesh. A Second Incarnation seems to prove it.

The Document on Origins details the ancient Babylonian "mother goddeess" RE-IMAGED as Sophia and daughter, Zoe. Sophia is the supreme and Zoe is the second in command over the Greek LOGOS which Rubel Shelly believes that John sifted out of philosophy and "his own personal agenda" to arrive at the Logos of John chapter One. We noted, however, that the Hebrew DABAR is the Hebrew personificaiton of God as WORD in Genesis.

On the Origin of the World, Eve whose mystical name is Zoe, meaning life, is the daughter and messenger of the Divine Sophia, the feminine hypostasis of the supreme Godhead:

Sophia sent Zoe, her daughter, who is called "Eve," as an instructor in order that she might raise up Adam, in whom there is no spiritual soul so that those whom he could beget might also become vessels of light.

The First Incarnation:

Whereas God ordained that elders (aged) men full of the Spirit or Word of God be His teachers on a human level, Lord Jesus Christ was THE teacher only when the elders "taught that which had been taught."

The Second Incarnation:

Now, the feminine which defines all performance preachifying and versifying of the Bible, has assigned the elders out to the pastures to be the shephers OF THE MINISTERS (paid, of course) who has the arrogance to actually claim superiority of knowledge and power.

Sophia is know as "the serpent" or source of all Wisdom and ZOE is know as the "Beast" or the female instructing principle. "She" is the feminine side of Lucifer, the harp-playing prostitute, in the garden of Eden. Sophia and Zoe forced the 'minor jehovahs" to form a MUSICAL WORSHIP TEAM which has ever been the effeminate worship of the feminine.

Much of the Jubilee and Nashville Scene is built upon the ZOE PRINCIPLE.

"Second, from the very highest levels of leadership on down, many UM bishops, clergy and staff, most of whom have graduated from UM seminaries, have exhibited a reluctance to adhere to the basic doctrines of the Christian faith.

The emphasis on a diverse, inclusive social gospel has eclipsed the need to preach "Jesus Christ and Him crucified."

Of course, just preaching the CORE Jesus is really preaching another gospel.

Karen Armstrong notes that it takes a lot of hard, logical, intellectual work to be able to participate in the feminine world of mysticism. That is, it accuses faith-based people of being legalistic but then musical or visionary worship is the world's oldest and most legalistic form.

Ezekiel condemns a form of religious worship in Egypt which used images and visions where the priestesses would achieve visionary orgasm in which great truths were revealed. Live drumming or hand clapping was a primary way to "go outside of self" in madness peddled as a spiritual worship experience.

"Intellectualism has snuffed out a simple faith in the Bible as the primary means through which the Creator has sought to reveal Himself to man. This lack of adherence to the essential doctrines of the Christian faith is evident in many of the incidents included in the report.

Lynn Anderson: Sounds right to me, Mr. Huxley! Something like this can happen to faith as well. The rational, informational, and linear-sequential worlds of productivity tend to dominate in our lives these days.

Consequently, the rest of our worlds suffer neglect, and we are losing touch with much of what it means to believe.

The rest of the story told by Huxley includes just this:

"Abused as we abuse it at present, dramatic art (preaching) is in no sense cathartic; it is merely a form of emotional masturbation. It is the rarest thing to find a player who has not had his character affected for the worse by the practice of his profession.

Nobody can make a habit of self-exhibition, nobody can exploit his personality for the sake of exercising a kind of hypnotic power over others, and remain untouched by the process. From Source

See Lynn Anderson and the Dancing On the Rim Image. This presents the Judas Image: his bag was for "carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments" and Psalm 41 predicted that he would ultimately fail in his triumph over which means "playing instruments and making a joyful noise before the Lord" as the Pagan war chant.

"On November 4-7, 1993, an ecumenical conference called "Re-Imagining A Global Theological Conference by Women" was held in conjunction with the World Council of Churches' Ecumenical Decade of Churches in Solidarity with Women. Throughout the conference, Sophia was worshiped as a deity.

Call her ZOE, HALAL, A CAPPELLA or whatever, it is the feminine or effeminate worship of the feminine Goddess. At it's heart, it is the replacement of the S.U.N. god for the S.O.N. God. She is Inanna who got the male "god" drunk (on ignorance in the modern paradigm) and stole the powers including "the eldership, musical performance and kissing the phallus."

She is Ishtar who along with Tammuz was worshiped by the women in the temple at Jerusalem while the males bowed to the S.U.N. in the East. Asherah is RE-IMAGED or RE-VISIONED Here is the ancient and modern phallus symbols which was also feminine just as the flute (meaning to pollute, prostitute) also carried both IMAGES.

To the right is an ancient woodblock of the men bowing to the S.U.N. god in the east.
These are Asherah poles which must be "erect" to exude power.

Rubel Shelly: "And when I tell you that Santa has been baptized, I'm echoing the ancient Christian tradition of what one theologian dubbed "baptizing the traditions of secular holidays in the message of God's love that has been revealed in Jesus Christ."

Since the time of Emperor Constantine's conversion to Christ and his order to "Christianize" the pagan feasts,

Christians have been seeking to turn every symbol (mark IDOL) to the glory of God. Thus a midwinter festival to the s-u-n was converted into a day of rejoicing over the S-o-n of God. If Jesus is described by biblical writers as the "Sun of Righteousness" and God's "true light coming into the world," what could be more natural? From Baptizing Santa

"As the conference began, the attendees sang a chorus to Sophia over and over:

"Now Sophia, dream the vision, share the wisdom dwelling deep within." The program book for the event stated: "We invoke Sophia, Divine Wisdom, who chose to play with all the people of the world. Her voice has been silenced too long. Let her speak and bless us throughout these days". There was also a milk and honey service worshiping Sophia instead of the traditional communion service.

Melos

I. a limb, Hom., etc.; within my bodily frame, Aesch.; kata melea limb by limb, like meleïsti, Hdt.

II. a song, strain, Hhymn., etc.:--esp. of lyric poetry, en melei poieein to write in lyric strain, Hdt.; mele, ta, lyric poetry, the choral songs, opp. to the dialogue, Plat.

meloid-ia , singing, chanting, E.Rh.923, etc.
II. chant, choral song, meloidias poietês Pl.Lg.935e , cf. 812d; lullaby, ib.790e: generally, music, Phld.Mus.p.12 K.

Mantikos. on, prophetic, oracular. technê (see Rev 18:22) for the craftsmen. Mantikên Apollôn

Entheos: full of the god, inspired, possessed, of the Bacchantes, Zeus (the young preachers now say Je'-Zeus.) of divine frenzy, inspired by the god, technai, frenzied rites

humnôid-ia , hê, singing of a hymn, hymning

"Singing served as a means of inducing ecstatic prophecy (speaking in tongues).

Thus the essential relationship between music and prophecy can be clearly seen.

This relationship also explains why the expression for "making music" and "prophesying" was often identical in the ancient tongues. origen contra celsum 8.67.

The Hebrew word Naba signifies not only "to prophesy" but also "to make music." (Quasten, Johannes, Music and Worship in Pagan and Christian Antiquity, p. 39)

"A group of UMs, including Bishop Susan Morrison, issued a statement in support of Re-Imagining called "A Time of Hope---A Time of Threat." In late 1994, The Council of Bishops released a statement that basically was a dissertation on "Sophia," the Greek word for wisdom and how it is used in scripture.

Karen Armnstrong, in A History of God notes that ritual and symbol of image is femine while devotion to the WORD if masculine. Defining a periodic, David-like, loss of contact with God and fearfulness that the universe would collapse unless they held an Aztec-like Jubilee, she observes:

"A new type of piety developed alongside the rationalism of the Enlightenment, which is often called 'the religion of the heart.' Although it was centered in the heart rather than the head, it shared many of the same preoccupations as Deism.

It urged men and women to abandon external proofs and authorities and discover the God who was within the heart and capacity of everybody. (Armstrong. p. 315)

"History notes that when religion swings from repression to permissiveness,
........... those with mental disorders lose their emotional footing and
........... react by flaunting the violation of previous religious views.

"Albert C. Ouler points out that the new religion of the heart and the rationalism of the Enlightenment were both antiestablishment and both mistrusted external authority; both ranged themselves with moderns against the ancients...

Many of these sects seemed to respond to the immense changes of the period by violating religious taboos. Some appeared blasphemous; some were dubbed atheistic,

while others had leaders who actually claimed to be incarnations of God. [Or perhaps the 13^th Apostle?]

"The accounts that we have of their lives suggest mental disorder."
........... "The Ranters "deliberately broke Christian taboos in their libertarian creed and
........... blasphemously claimed that there was no distinction between God and man.

Some Ranters claimed to be the Messiah, a reincarnation of God, who was to establish a new kingdom." (Armstrong 320) [A new Wineskin]

in the self-exaltation of the Ranters or the Inner Light of the Quakers it is possible to see an aspiration that was similar to that expressed a century later by the French revolutanaries who enthroned the Goddess of Reason in the Pantheon."

"William Franklin, a respectable householder, became mentally ill in 1646 after his family had been smitten by plague. He horrified his fellow Christians by declaring himself to be God and Christ, but later recanted and begged pardon. He seemed to be in full possession of his faculties, but he still left his wife and began to sleep with other women...

Mary Gadbury began to see visions and hear voices, prophesying a new social order which would abolish all class distinctions." (Armstrong, p. 321)

Many of these sects were Messianic in tone and proclaimed the imminent arrival of a wholly new world." (Armstrong, p. 319) [The "now but not yet kingdom"]

"The sense of God has often been characterized by darkness and struggle in the West, as we have seen. Ranters like Clarkson and Coppe were flouting Christian taboos and proclaiming the holiness of sin at the same time as the witchcraft craze was raging in various countries of Europe. The radical Christians of Cromwell's England were also

rebelling against a God and a religion which was too demanding and too frightening." (Armstrong, A History of God, p. 323)

Lynn Anderson: Faith that is only cerebral in content and only goal-oriented in activity is "one-dimensional." There is nothing wrong with trying to understand our faith. But many of us try too hard. We attempt to explain the unexplainable, find out the indefinable, ponder over the imponderable, and unscrew the inscrutable. A life of real meaningful faith can't be treated that way. Trying to do so only leaves people with swollen heads and shrunken hearts.

God is too vast and mysterious to be confined to linear-sequential thinking and production-oriented activity.

Wonder if God is too vast to be able to reveal Himself fully as the Son who identified the Spirit and Life as His Word?

See the direct paralls between Lynn Anderson and Fred Peatross and neo-paganism or witchcraft as the NEW VISION for the emerging church of Christ.

Kant claimed that he had, in our words, "destroyed doctrine to make room for faith."

"the new religion of the heart and the rationalism of the Enlightenment were both antiestablishment and both mistrusted external authority;

both ranged themselves with the moderns against the ancient. (Armstrong, p. 318)

"When God had withdrawn, as abruptly as he had come,

his place was-again, quite literally-taken by Satan.
EXHALTATION was succeeded by SUICIDAL despair...

There were no more conversions, but the people who survived the experience were calmer and more joyful than they had been before the Awakening,

or so Edwards would have us believe." (Armstrong, Karen, A History of God, p. 324).

Others have called this "the holiness of sin: "In the eyes of the revivalists, Britain had lost the new light that had shone so brightly during the Puritan revolution (restoration) and now seemed DECADENT and REGRESSIVE. Jonathan Edwards and his colleagues led Americans of the lower classes to take the first steps toward revolution...

"Messianism was essential to Edward's religion: HUMAN EFFORT would hasten the coming of God's Kingdom, which was attainable and imminent in the New World. The Awakening itself, despite its tragic FINALE, made people believe that the process of redemption described in the Bible had already begun. God was firmly committed to the project." (Karen Armstrong, A History of God, p. 325).

"Edwards gave the doctrine of the Trinity a political interpretation:

the Son was 'the deity generated by God's understanding' and thus the BLUEPRINT of the New Commonwealth;

the Spirit, 'the deity subsisting in act,' was the force which would accomplish this MASTER plan in time...' society as the KINGDOM would be 'shining with a reflection of the glory of Jehovah risen upon it, which shall be attractive and RAVISHING to all." (Armstrong, p. 325)

Or as Shelly/Harris would say: "exhilarating."

Rubel Shelly: April 4-6, 2002 Putting on a new pair of glasses makes what was distorted now focused and clear.
........... We see the world as it really is -
........... ........... not what our old glasses led us to see.

The Body of Christ needs to re-vision - to look through new glasses for a fresh perspective.

Here is part of what we learned from PK and Dominion Theology and Hitler and Machiavelli:

5. Suspension of skepticism, critical judgment, and disbelief, and the pressure to conform

Along with the rhetorical bombardment of rallies and "accountability groups" (a feature found in paracultic groups like the Vineyard Movement and the "Shepherding-Discipleship" sects),

Promise Keepers submerges followers in a closed system of belief which offers simplistic, vague solutions to complex problems.

Nowhere is critical judgment or thinking emphasized: rational thought is replaced with slogans and terminology borrowed from tent-evangelism and mass media advertising. "Mega Wake-Up Calls,"

"Everything You Need to Know" seminars, [Experiencing God promises that you will never be the same after a 12 - step program]

calls for "reconciliation" or "Building Men of Integrity,"

and fixation with "the mystery of the Gospel" (Visions, hallucinating)

are substituted for reasoned discourse. (The meaning of Jesus as the LOGOS which Shelly Denies)

Followers are implored to Stand in the Gap! or Break Down the Walls - phrases supported with Bible verse rather than clear, definitive explanations for what they supposedly (or really) could mean.

6. Fabrication of a "Crisis" or "Last-Days" Mentality which defines the actions of the group.

Promise Keepers rhetoric and materials
........... are laced with terms and ideas popular in the "spiritual warfare" circles
........... ........... of fervid evangelical and charismatic groups.

Apocalyptic thinking - the sense that one must labor frantically as a predetermined timetable of events unfolds - often serves to unify tight-knit religious groups.

Varying degrees of such "end times" phobias have been found in cults as diverse as Peoples Temple, Aum "Supreme Truth" (Japan), Church Universal and Triumphant, and the Order of the Solar Temple.

Members are instructed to filter all events in the outside world through a "lens" which reveals a deeper level of truth. Within the ur-cultism of Promise Keepers,

this truth coincides with a "signs and wonders" tradition found in charismatics and extreme evangelicals.

The Logos-denying, Shelly Sifter:

Also see the Shelly Sifter sieves out all but the Core Gospel of seven facts about Jesus.

Rubel Shelly: They had to strain the story of Jesus through philosophical sieves. They had to create and clarify special terms. They made entrance into their circles a matter of "enlightenment" as reflected in peculiar vocabulary and interpretations.

In the meanwhile, the core gospel has survived two millennia now in its narrative form of telling the big story through collections of little ones about Jesus.

Here is the fulfilment of prophecy:

His breath is like a rushing torrent, rising up to the neck. He shakes the nations in the sieve of destruction; he places in the jaws of the peoples a bit that leads them astray. Isa 30:28

Must ye always rejoice, and go into my holy places continually, as they that keep a feast? and must ye go with a pipe, as those that rejoice into the mountain of the Lord, to the God of Israel Isaiah 30:29 LXX

and the Lord shall make his glorious voice to be heard and the wrath of his arm, to make a display with wrath and anger and devouring flame: he shall lighten terribly, and his wrath shall be as water and violent hail. Isaiah 30:30 LXX

For by the voice of the Lord the Assyrians shall be overcome, even by the stroke where with he shall smite them. Isaiah 30:31 LXX

And it shall happen to him from every side, that they from whom their hope of assistance was, in which he trusted, themselves shall war against him in turn with drums and with harp. Isaiah 30:32 LXX

The hallmark of the Toronto Blessing has become:

(A) ILLUMINISM - That the written word is for the old age and we must pass on into a spiritual age, in which our knowledge comes by prophecies, dreams, visions, trances, etc. This seeking after the hidden wisdom, the inner light that transforms, is gnosticism.

The leaders of the Latter-Rain revival soon discovered that illuminism brought new revelations that went beyond the scriptures of old: A letter in the archives of the Assembly of God written by George Hawtin, says this:

"Soon we found that the familiar doctrines previously taught and the subjects studied had a strange sense of being removed from us, as though they had become past truth instead of present truth."

The cry of the Toronto leadership is "God is bigger than his Word". They say: "Don't put God in a box; don't limit him to his revealed will for mankind; God can do anything he wants, even contradict his own written word".

The eldership of one British church justified their adopting the Toronto blessing by saying: "We must have church growth -

we must have revival -
the Bible has failed us; so now we must have the Spirit, the new anointing to do the work".

If you dare to look at your Bible to check out Toronto, you are derided and rebuked - you are just a book person, you don't have the new revelation.

This is also how the teachings of the Latter Rain came about -through prophecies, visions, revelations, words that people heard inwardly and that were elevated to a higher place than the written word of God.

(B) MYSTICISM - At the same time it is taught that mystical encounter is needed. Devotees must get the anointing that opens the inner eye. Doubters are encouraged not to analyse the Blessing in advance but simply receive the anointing regardless, and when they do so it will open them up to the inner meaning it contains.

They will be "converted" to the new thinking by the anointing.

So by means of ecstatic trance states and the power of spiritual encounters, a mystical union with the divine, you can rise above this mortal realm into an altered state; - this is true whether you are a Christian or not -the anointing 'works' whether you are saved or not saved. Whether Buddhist, Hindu, Catholic, Pentecostal - it doesn't matter, this power will zap you and open your mind to the new paradigm. You will be changed! You will see things differently!

This is what the watching world bearing the BURDEN Jesus died to pry off the backs of people really think as they laugh AT you more than laugh WITH you

CLICK Preaching for pay? "Give money to make poor pious youths learned clergy, or vain pretenders to erudition; and they pray that they may preach to you; yes, and pay them too.

Was there ever such a craft as priestcraft? No, it is the craftiest of all crafts. It is so crafty that it obtains by its craft the means to make craftsmen, and then it makes the deluded support them!" (Campbell, Alexander, Christian Baptist, Dec. 1, 1823, Vol. 1, p. 91).

Funny, I could always find some old lady embarassed by the Cut N paste sermons and the minister-turned-master who was applauded when he loudly proclaimed how God shut Noah (noahr, down here) into the Ark of the Covenant. I know a preacher who believes that the terminal musical idolatry at Mount Sinai was by people "baptized by the Holy Spirit" and therefore a pattern for Christian worship and community. Know a fellow who believes that John got the Logos idea from philosophy (where else?). Know a fellow who knows it all but claims that the entire Bible has been sifted and therefore all we can use for faith and practice is the Core Gospel. Know a preacher who believes that "music" is a worship word in the Bible.

Paul narrowly defined "worship" as giving heed to the Word or "giving attention to the reading of the Word" and to teaching doctrine and exhorting people to follow the Word "taught as it has been taught."

This had two undergirding reasons throughout the letters:

First, the Word is God given and no preacher is allowed to "private interpret" or "further expound" that which is Spirit delivered to the saints.

Second, when you open up the "personell office" you will, as at Corinth, get super apostles who see religion as occupation. This will disqualify the "preacher" and the result will be false doctrine.

This is why the "doctors of the law" hate the epistles and claim that they are filtered through the sieve (glasses) of men with their own personal agenda.

The church can destroy itself without a mega-buck agent always sneaking around trying to concoct some new divisive scheme. We noted above from Karen Armstrong:

"Albert C. Ouler points out that the new religion of the heart and the rationalism of the Enlightenment were both antiestablishment and both mistrusted external authority; both ranged themselves with moderns against the ancients...

Many of these sects seemed to respond to the immense changes of the period by violating religious taboos. Some appeared blasphemous; some were dubbed atheistic,

while others had leaders who actually claimed to be incarnations of God. [Or perhaps the 13^th Apostle?]

"The accounts that we have of their lives suggest mental disorder."

"The Ranters "deliberately broke Christian taboos in their libertarian creed and
blasphemously claimed that there was no distinction between God and man.

Here is why they suddenly, like Joseph Smith, find NEW GLASSES for a new vision:

Some Ranters claimed to be the Messiah, a reincarnation of God, who was to establish a new kingdom." (Armstrong 320) [A new Wineskin]

in the self-exaltation of the Ranters or the Inner Light of the Quakers it is possible to see an aspiration that was similar to that expressed a century later by the French revolutanaries who enthroned the Goddess of Reason in the Pantheon."

One wonders why Jesus fired the "doctors of the law" who took away the key to knowledge if He intended that another clergy class emerge having their superior knowledge from the factories which manufacture doctors of the law.

On page one of the Belmont paper the following astonishing statement is made by Don Finto:

Don Finto: "We began to see that biblically there was not only an eldership in the local church, but there were apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers (Eph. 4:11) in the body of Christ and that the FULL work of God COULD NOT be realized until this five fold gifting was recognized, whatever that meant" (Yes, indeed, whatever that means).

"I began to believe on the basis of scripture (and confirmation from other leaders who were restudying this whole issue around the corner) that apostles function wider than just the local church, that pastors are stationary" (Belmont p. 2).

Does ANYONE know who was JUST AROUND THE CORNER?

"Lord, Belmont needs more than me, but I am ALL that they have and I accept it" (Belmont Paper, p. 2)

"By this time I had seen that in the New Testament, elders were appointed by apostles...by Paul and Barnabas...by Titus" (Belmont p. 2).

"The book of Timothy were written so that Timothy would know how to set elders in order in the churches. God has used me to do that in other churches" (Ibid. p. 2)

Was that Titus? Well, who worries when you have NEW GLASSES to see what you always saw before as Paul making a just flat ort mistake. After all, the CORE gospel says that "this is not truth" anyway.

For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: Tit.1:5

Titus "pointed the men out" but Paul has appointed the order or knew who was already "laboring to the point of exhausting in preaching and teaching."

Diatasso (g1299) dee-at-as'-so; from 1223 and 5021; to arrange thoroughly, i.e. (spec.) institute, prescribe, etc.: - appoint, command, give, (set in) order, ordain.

Well, what the hay, we will then just make ourselves APOSTLES. See how to catch the vision?

First, the bad news: there is no "minister" or "ministers" or "missionary in residence" on the payroll of the local congregation.

A modern view of the "troublers" in most religious groups:

"The secularization process that has transformed Western civilization over the past two centuries has taken different paths in Europe and in America. In Europe, secularization has meant large-scale defection from religion and the appearance of many empty church buildings and cathedrals.

In America, churches have survived, however, by adapting to secularization and by commending themselves in terms that are attractive to "secular man."

"Further, the secular church alters traditional ministries and multiplies a host of new ministries through which it seeks to "meet needs." Committed to meeting consumer demands, the accommodating church must check constantly the latest shifts and fads which announce the appearance of a new "need." In all of this the secular church almost comes to resemble a delicatessen offering samples to attract customers. Its members are exhorted to be involved, to share, and occasionally, to serve.

Far less frequently are they called to serious Bible study and discipleship. The secular church

In The Necessity of Reforming the Church (1543) Calvin spoke to the claim that priests of preachers were the SOPHIA or WISDOM SERPENT in the church:

But is it not altogether at variance with reason that the ploughing oxen should starve, and the lazy asses be fed? They will say, however, that they serve at the altar. I answer, that the priests under the law deserved maintenance, by ministering at an altar;

but that, as Paul declares, the case under the New Testament is different.
And what are those altar services, for which they allege that maintenance is due to them? Forsooth, that they may perform their masses and chant in churches, for example,

partly labor to no purpose,
and partly perpetrate sacrilege, thereby provoking the anger of God.
See for what it is that they are alimented at the public expense!

Therefore, the hirelings should not anticipate anything but getting an honest job as clearly defined by Paul (if he will not work, he will not eat) and the Didache warned about "wandering purifiers" (revivalists) and men wanting to get on the minister-as-master dole.

And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the market places, Luke 12:38

And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts: Luke 12:39

Which devour widows houses, and for a pretense make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation. Luke 12:40

Second, there is nothing in the job description of either elder or evangelist which authorized organizing a congregation into a family or commune. Alexander Campbell expressed the Biblical and eternal warning against "doctors of the law" preaching the law but who did not know the law binding themselves on your back as "burdens."

"Jingling, banging, and rattling accompanied heathen cults, and the frenzying shawms of a dozen ecstatic cries intoxicated the masses. Amid this euphoric farewell feast of a dying civilization, the voices of nonconformists were emerging from places of Jewish and early Christian worship; Philo of Alexandria had already emphasized the ethical qualities of music,

spurning the 'effeminate' art of his Gentile surroundings.
Similarly, early synagogue song intentionally foregoes artistic perfection, renounces the playing of instruments,

and attaches itself entirely to 'the word'--the TEXT of the Bible" (Encyclopaedia Judaica, 1971 ed., s.v. "Music")

The church was not "commune" but synagogue or school of the Bible. In addition to teaching the Word, the church had the responsibility to look out for the poor but not "the lazy asses."

"The contracting of heavy and oppressive debts is proscribed. No brother is allowed to enthral himself or others in any sort of worldly speculations which incur either anxiety on his part or inconvenience to others. The aged, feeble, and helpless are taken care of by the brethren.

In this view of the deacon's office, we cannot but concur with the sayings and views of the primitive fathers who considered the deacons as the treasurers of the congregation, and as appointed to the service of tables, viz. the Lord's table, the poor's table, and the bishop's table.

That means that a church teaches the Word "as it has been taught" and that needs no sermonizing or versifying. Secondly, it looks out for the poor and needy. Other than that it has no other "pyramidal ministry system" and therefore no "missionary in residence."

And this agrees with Jesus and lading people with "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals."

And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers. Luke 11:46

This burden Jesus died to remove along with the burden laders was "spiritual anxiety created by religious rituals." Therefore, Jesus put worship "in the spirit" or mind and Paul agreed so that prayer or worship was always "in the spirit." Those who attempt to facilitate your worship don't know enough to get an honest joby.

Woe unto you for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. Luke 11:47
Woe unto you, lawyers for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. Luke 11:52

And as he said these things unto them, the scribes and the Pharisees began to urge him vehemently, and to provoke him to speak of many things: Luke 11:53

Looks like the shepherds on the hill have left the flocks out, gathered around a rock and become bundling buddies which defines the nature of a HIRELING. Why is a relationship with an unauthorized PAID SLAVE more important than with the flock?

Lynn Anderson begins:

"Aldous Huxley once wrote that human beings are "multiple amphibians"--creatures designed to make our way through many worlds at once: social, spiritual, emotional, cerebral, aesthetic, sexual, psychological, and so forth. But, he added, since the industrial revolution harnessed our energies to production and the technological revolution turned us into information manipulators, we tend to live primarily in the two logical worlds: those of data and productivity. These worlds are crowding out our "other worlds," which are thus atrophying. As a result, we are losing touch with what it means to be human.

Sounds right to me, Mr. Huxley!

See some Huxley thoughts here. We worship mescaline as a deity because of the non-rational images that it produces. Peyote is used by the American indians for the same reason. However, researchers have discovered that adrenalin created in Navigating the Winds of change with music and drama decays and in the process produces something like mescaline. Another writer notes that:

When I was a fireman I was in a lot of burning buildings. It was a great job, the only job I ever had that compares with the thrill of acting. Before going into a fire, there's the same surge of adrenalin you get just before the camera rolls. Steve Buscemi

The non-rational vision we have after mass meetings is just another drug high. It is not "moving the worshipers into the presence of God after all."

"But adrenochrome probably occurs spontaneously in the human body. In other words, each one of us may be capable of manufacturing a chemical, minute doses of which are known to cause Profound changes in consciousness. Certain of these changes are similar to those which occur in that most characteristic plague of the twentieth century, schizophrenia.

Those who manipulate the mind in mass meetings believe that they are succeeding just like the ancient oracles or the Corinthian area, but Paul said that it was must madness, insanity. Or as Philo would say: "Enthus-o-mania" being ecstatic while trying to find the lost gods. Schizophrenic.

Huxley notes that After taking the pill:

"The change which actually took place in that world was in no sense revolutionary. Half an hour after swallowing the drug I became aware of a slow dance of golden lights. A little later there were sumptuous red surfaces swelling and expanding from bright nodes of energy that vibrated with a continuously changing, patterned life. At another time the closing of my eyes revealed a complex of gray structures, within which pale bluish spheres kept emerging into intense solidity and, having emerged, would slide noiselessly upwards, out of sight. But at no time were there faces or forms of men or animals. I saw no landscapes, no enormous spaces, no magical growth and metamorphosis of buildings, nothing remotely like a drama or a parable. The other world to which mescalin admitted me was not the world of visions; it existed out there, in what I could see with my eyes open. The great change was in the realm of objective fact. What had happened to my subjective universe was relatively unimportant.

Lynn Anderson: Sounds right to me, Mr. Huxley! Something like this can happen to faith as well. The rational, informational, and linear-sequential worlds of productivity tend to dominate in our lives these days.

Consequently, the rest of our worlds suffer neglect, and we are losing touch with much of what it means to believe.

Paul said that faith comes from hearing and faith is from hearing the Words of God.That isn't too difficult, is it?I don't believe anything I have ever heard.And when I think about my faith I just have to express that faith in "tham ole words."

Lynn Anderson: The mind-set of the times threatens to strip our faith of symbols, rituals, dramas, mystery, poetry, and story,

which say about life and God what logic and reason and rationalism can never say. See Volkism

"Harrison confessed her embarrassment over being a Presbyterian at a time when the denomination is beginning to reaffirm biblical standards for its faith and life. "Don't get me started on the heartbreak of being a Presbyterian," she said. She attacked publications like The Presbyterian Layman for exhibiting a "Jurassic Park theology " They have out resourced us "and they have won a great deal in this society." Women's Re-Imaging and Sophia-Zoe worship.

That is also happening in churches of Christ whose "burden" and "burden laders" are fading back into the woodwork until, perhaps in time, another "hatch" of honest men can resurface like those who built churches we could all be proud of.

Jesus neither prescribed any symbol other than baptism and the Lord's supper and the early church did not "do the acts" or engage in mystical symbols. Church was not a pagan worship center where acts were performed and the "drug high" was peddled as "worship." Worship occurs only in the mind and is never the work of human hands such as hand clapping to worship the gender-confused theatrical performers. Worship is in truth and the only way Paul described it is to "give heed" or give attendance to the reading of the Word.

"If this seems overstated, consider the thesis put forth by Leonard Shlain in his 1999 book The Alphabet Versus the Goddess: the Conflict Between Word and Image:

> Goddess worship, feminine values, and women's power depend on the ubiquity of the image.
> God worship, masculine values, and men's domination of women are bound to the written word.

Word and image, like masculine and feminine, are complementary opposites.

Whenever a culture elevates the written word at the expense of the image patriarchy dominates. [Then we can also assume that when a culture elevates the image at the expense of the written word, matriarchy dominates-as in Hillary Clinton and Janet Reno and Donna Shalala and female Supreme Court justices ad infinitum.] (Qtd. on page 6 of the June 1999 The Quality Paperback Book Review.)

"As an obviously agnostic and feminist (and possibly pagan) "scholar," Shlain fails to grasp the true significance of his discovery that (in the words of the June 1999 The Quality Paperback Book Review),

"the very act of reading an alphabet reinforce[s] the brain's left hemisphere
(linear, abstract, predominantly masculine)
at the expense of the right (holistic, concrete, visual, feminine)."

"It's hardly surprising, then, that in our culture literacy and morality decreased and goddess worship increased following a rising emphasis on images (picture magazines and books; television; viewscreens; video games; computer icons), or

that antichrist will employ an image to further enslave people in the tribulation.

Nor is it surprising that there was no success in any "women's movements" until Great Britain and America both abandoned the AV 1611 in favor of counterfeit "bibles", nor can there be any ecumenical success unless men abandon the AV 1611 in favor of the words of a "woman" (Rev. 17-18).... Those who abandon the true masculine words of God will inevitablygive themselves over to "profane and old wives' fables" (1 Tim. 4:6-7). Daryl Coates

God didn't present the WORD in comic book style but for mature adults who can read and hear. Anderson and crew have gotten dissociated and hallucinated the idea that creating a theatrical spectacle is worship: it is not and is indeed pagan worship of self.

God is a rational God and can communicate in words; the pagan gods needed the symbols of food, housing, clothing, entertainment with music and even sex from the "musical worship team" which was "always know as the harem of the gods."

The Catholic church introduced symbols which are IDOLS to become "the textbook of the ignorant." Perhaps, it is only preachers who need the symbols. However, Lynn is not defining Christianity but all ancient paganism and even witchcraft:

A. The Need to Change the Wiring in our Brains For Witchcraft or Goddess Worship

1. Learning to work magic requires that a certain amout of neurological re-patterning of our brains takes place.

a. To be effective, we have to change the way we use our brains.

(1) Magic requires the development and integration of the right hemisphere (feminine) way of thinking with the left hemisphere way of thinking.

(a) The spacial, intuitive and holistic patterns of awareness that characterize the right hemisphere modes of consciousness must be able to communicate and work in harmony with the verbal, analytical and linear patterns of awareness so characteristic of the left hemisphere.

(b) A person's growth, creativity and personality is deeply influenced during this process and it eventually leads to a person who is truly functional as a whole person.

B. The language of magic is expressed in symbols and images.

1. Images bridge the gap between the verbal and non-verbal modes of awareness.

a. Symbols and images implant certain ideas in Younger Self who passes them on to High Self.

(1) By allowing the critical and analytical functions of Talking Self to relax, Younger Self may respond fully and emotionally to what happens during your magical working.

Canto, I. Neutr., to produce melodious sounds (by the voice or an instrument), to sound, sing, play
2. Of the singing pronunciation of an orator, to declaim in a singing tone, to sing, drawl: si cantas, male cantas, si legis, cantas
2. Of an actor, to represent a part, to act [meaning hypocrite]
III. In the lang. of religion, as v. n. or a., to use enchantments, charms, incantations, to enchant, to charm, cantata Luna, exorcised by magic,

Magicus, belonging to magic, magic, magical. superstitiones, vanitates, that were invoked by incantations: Linguae= skilled in incantations, cantus, magicae resonant ubi Memnone chordae, mysterious, id. 15, 5 .

Lucifer is defined as the "singing and harp playing prostitute" in the garden of Eden. The same Mother of Harlots (Rev 17) uses the "lusted after fruits" meaning rhetoricians, singers and musicians as sorcerere (Rev 18) who had deceived the whole world. There are three groups by Jacob through Rachael. God has chosen these from Christian nations that will stand up for Him against the Lucifer, the antichrist, in these last days.

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Eze.28:13

The Aulos [aêmi to blow]

1. a flute or rather clarionet (for it was played by a mouthpiece, glôssis, Aeschin.), Il., etc.; auloi andrêïoi and gunaikêïoi, Lat. tibiae dextrae and sinistrae, bass and treble, Hdt.; sometimes one person played two auloi at once, Theocr.; aulos Enualiou, i. e. a trumpet, Anth.:-- hup' aulou to the sound of the flute, Hdt.; so, pros aulon, hupo ton aulon Xen.

glôttis = glôssa 111, the mouth-piece of a pipe , Luc.

2. any tube or pipe, as the socket of a spear-head, the groove into which the tongue of a buckle fitted, Hom.; the pipe of bellows, Thuc.:-- aulos pachus, in Od., seems to mean a jet of blood through the tube of the nostril.

Chrysostom wrote of the Pythoness of Delphi: "The same Pythoness then is said, being a female, to sit at times upon the tripod of Apollo astride, and thus the evil spirit ascending from beneath and entering the lower part of her body, fills the woman with madness, and she with dishevelled hair begins to play the bacchanal and to foam at the mouth, and thus being in a frenzy to utter the words of her madness."

The word glossolalia came from the Greek vernacular, pneuma and lalein glossais.
It is actually a derivative of words used to describe the utterances of the worshippers of pagan Greek gods and goddesses.

The Word which can be preached is the only "leg" which props up faith. When you give up on the Word "as it has been taught" the result is faith in the preacher or theatrical performer but not in Jesus.

Lynn Anderson: Faith that is only cerebral in content and only goal-oriented in activity is "one-dimensional." There is nothing wrong with trying to understand our faith. But many of us try too hard. We attempt to explain the unexplainable, find out the indefinable, ponder over the imponderable, and unscrew the inscrutable. A life of real meaningful faith can't be treated that way. Trying to do so only leaves people with swollen heads and shrunken hearts.

I never wast my time pondering the imponderable. I just know for a fact that when Paul said SPEAK the word is defined as the opposite of POETRY or MUSIC. That is because whatever hallucinates as a poem--meaning a fabrication--out of a human mind is always twice or thrice removes from the truth and because "melody lacks sincerity" says the Classics claiming that when people begin to chant or sing they intend to inchant you out of your purse and too often pants.

The Bible makes it clear that FAITH that does not COMPLY is not a real faith. Therefore, the word BELIEVETH demands COMPLIANCE in baptism. This relationship of Mark 16 is identical to Greek literature which means that you to call Isaiah, Malachi, Jesus, Peter and all historic scholars bald faced liars. A. He that believeth AND is baptized shall be saved. Mark 16:16

Believeth Greek: pist-euo trust, put faith in, rely on a person, thing, or statement
        2. comply, hôs ouch hupeixôn oude pisteusôn legeis; [625] Are you resolved not to yield or believe?
        OPPOSITE to apisteô

--------What the Plato and literate people understood about BELIEVETH
Plato Laws.12.[941c] and this the lawgiver, as it behoves him, knows better than the whole tribe [symphony] of poets.
He, therefore, that hearkens to our speech [Logos]
     is blessed, and deserves blessing for all time;

     Hearkens is: peithô, A. persuade, B. Pass. and Med., to be prevailed on,
     won over, persuaded, 2. peithesthai tini listen to one, obey him,
"let us comply with the custom of eating, sad though the meal be, obey him in all things,

B. He that believeth Not shall be DAMNED. Mark 16:16
Believeth not is: apisteô to be apistos, and so, II. = apeitheô, to disobey, tini Hdt., attic: --absol. to be disobedient, refuse to comply

Apist-eô to be apistos, and so, I. disbelieve, distrust, was distrusted, i.e. no one could be sure of knowing, it is not believed to be possible
II. = apeitheô, disobey, to be DISOBEDIENT, butif they refuse to comply, They are not to be trusted, and so of persons and their acts, not trusty, faithless, Act., mistrustful, incredulous, suspicious, Treacherously, cause to REVOLT from. also kleptô meaning: seize or occupy secretly, effect or bring about clandestinely, gamon, to be 'smuggled in' get rid of imperceptibly

We know that Jesus said my WORDS are SPIRIT and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. The CORPORATE "institute" has no other goal than to "sing that which is written" and "teach that which has been taught." Then we can leave the SECRET things to God.

That is what we have been trying to say. However, it has been the Wind Navigators taking away the key to knowledge in an attempt to artificially induce change among people who see no need to change from say, beliving in the mystery of baptism to rejecting it as a pure symbol of the act of an irrational, non-rational God.

"In certain ancient Israelite prophetic groups, music was used to achieve the ecstatic state, in which the participants, in their accompanying dancing, were believed to have been seized by the hand of Yahweh, the God of Israel, as in the case of Saul, the 11th-century-bc king of Israel.

The Pythia (priestess of Apollo who is Apollyon) of the Greek oracle at Delphi often went into an ecstatic state during which she uttered sounds revealed to her by the python (the snake, the symbol of resurrection), after drinking water from a certain spring.

Her "words" were then interpreted by a priest to help a suppliant find a way to avoid calamities, especially death. In primitive religions, ecstasy was a technique highly developed by shamans, religious personages with healing and psychic-transformation powers, in their "soul," or "spirit," flights. (See Delphic oracle.) "ecstasy" Encyclopedia Britannica Online. Or Click Here is you have membership

See how Ezekiel shows how the women "prophesiers" made SOULS FLY and captured them.

Circe or "church" could do that:

For Circe long had lov'd the youth in vain,

Till love, refus'd, converted to disdain
Then, mixing pow'rful herbs, with magic art,

She chang'd his form, who could not change his heart;

Constrain'd him in a bird, and made him fly,

With party-color'd plumes, a chatt'ring pie.

Wicca says: "There are many paths to spiritual growth. Wicca is a participatory revelation, a celebratory action leading to greater understanding of oneself and the universe. We believe there is much to learn by studying our past, through myth, through ritual drama, through poetry and music, through love and through living in harmony with the Earth. "

Lynn Anderson: God is too vast and mysterious to be confined to linear-sequential thinking and production-oriented activity.

Fred Peatross: Earlier generations grew up in an oral world where they engaged the world through proverbs, stories, and relationships. Issues were dealt with in terms of their effect on their family, neighbors, and the relationships, they had.

After this there came a literate world where people thought in terms of propositional claims, theory, and conceptualization, and where they developed ideas in linear discourse.
But, now we only do symbols! Nonesense.

See to a Dancing Jesus

Max Lucado and the Dancing God

Fred Peatross and Lynn Anderson and Witchcraft Parallels.

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